Return-Path: <nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id h3GNexU04616; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20030416163019.00a53ce0@mail.co.el-dorado.ca.us> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: Barbara Raines <braines@eldoradolibrary.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-AALPD:211] A Suggestion/Discussion list frustrations X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Status: O Content-Length: 8588 Lines: 181 Donna: Thank you for putting it so succinctly. Obviously, for me, this new chat room or forum format is new. And I was reading and wading through everything to find that it didn't fit my circumstances. This was very time consuming, but I didn't know any other way to find our whether there was a kernel of information that was of benefit to our program somewhere among all the paragraphs. If everyone would take your suggestion and make sure the subject line was precise, than we could just go through the Email list without reading those topics that are not relevant to us at this time. Also a lead in sentence at the beginning of the narrative to help us ascertain the topic is helpful too. We could then focus on those topics that are of use to us. I believe your spin on this answers everyone's "need to be sensitive to others." Respectfully. Barbara At 06:47 PM 04/16/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Jackie and Barb and all, > >I like Jackie's analogy of the big room where people can choose to speak >or just listen or not listen, if we wish. Another option is that there >can be more than one conversation going on at any one time. If there are >those of you who aren't so interested in the current hot topic and you are >just waiting for the topic to change because there are other issues you >would like to see a conversation develop around, by all means start >another conversation at the same time. It's a big room, and there are >several corners where conversations can take place. Yes, there will be a >little static from the other conversations in the room, but the email >subject line can act as a big sign that you raise in the middle of your >group to direct others to your conversation as they come into the >room. And those who want to can wander among the groups and listen to >all, while others who know there is one topic that doesn't interest them >can hit the delete key without even opening the message. > >I think a lot of the frustration people seem to be feeling from this >discussion list is coming from feeling that they need to read everything >that comes into their inbox. I remember feeling that way when I first >started joining discussion lists. From being on several active discussion >lists, I have learned to delete without reading messages that I know I'm >not interested in, and when I get busy and I really don't have time to be >in on the discussion, I just leave the room by deleting everything that >comes in from any of my discussion lists, and then I don't feel like it's >hanging over my head. Then when I have time to get back into the group, I >start reading again. Often it's kind of like a soap opera in that you can >miss several installments and still be able to follow it when you come >back in. If it's obvious that I've missed something that I need to know >to make sense of what I'm reading, I go to the archives and pick it up. > >Hope this is helpful! I think that those of you who are lurking and >waiting for topics to be discussed that you would be more interested in >will find those conversations developing if you stick around long >enough. And when that happens, you might find yourselves drawn into the >conversation. And that's why I hope you won't get so frustrated that you >leave our room. The conversations are much better when there is a wide >range of interests, experience, and expertise, and I don't want to miss >out on what you might eventually contribute! > >Best wishes to all, > >Donna JG Brian >Coordinator/Developer LINCS Workforce Education Special Collection at >http://worklink.coe.utk.edu/ >Center for Literacy Studies at The University of Tennessee >600 Henley Street, Suite 312 >Knoxville, TN 37996-4135 > >865-974-3420 (desk phone) FAX 865-974-3857 >djgbrian@utk.edu > >At 03:01 PM 4/16/2003 -0400, you wrote: >>Jackie: I like to think that I am sensitive to other peoples' needs. >>Its just that we seem to be stuck on one subject now for quite a while >>and only a few seemed to be participating. >>I recognize that this particular forum topic, I was told, will end this >>week, so I can go with the flow for now. >>Forums are great, everyone contributing to the pot of information is an >>advantage, and numerous subjects to discuss is the gravey so to speak of >>the program. But, its just like in the classroom, if you cover only wone >>topic and only a few talk, the rest of the class gets lost, bored, or >>falls asleep and you cannot proceed forward with your curriculum or >>topics you want to cover. I enjoy this forum opportunity to interact, I >>just felt that "others needs to be sensitive to the majority" and there >>could be alternatives so everyone was happy. I don't want to unsubscribe >>because then I'm sure I will miss the next important topic. Therefore, I >>choose to just wait this long discourse out. Thank you for listening. Barb >> >>At 02:11 PM 04/16/2003 -0400, you wrote: >>>Hello Barbara, Andres, and All, >>>I like to think of online discussion lists as one large room of people who >>>have committed to come together to learn, for various reasons. But whereas >>>face-to-face we can determine who is interested in learning from the >>>conversation and who is not, online we *cannot* tell. Many people gather >>>great information just by observing and not participating. It becomes a >>>tough >>>call when deciding to speak to the whole group or a select few, because >>>we are >>>not visually aware of those in the forum. By replying to the entire >>>list, we >>>give people the benefit of the doubt and assume that they are committed to >>>learning, and are interested in learning about the topic at hand. While >>>this >>>requires an increased tolerance on everyone' part, it also requires that >>>when >>>we post we strive to be more aware of our colleagues' needs. >>> >>>What are some options? >>> >>>1) I would like to suggest that when we post to the entire group, we provide >>>our email address for easy reference, so that individuals can choose to take >>>it out of the room. >>> >>>2) Another option would be that for long emails, the writer provides a >>>summary >>>paragraph or offer details below the signature line. Those who are busy can >>>quickly decide if they would like to read on for more information. >>> >>>Other options available to individual subscribers: >>> >>>1) Digest format and FAQs - To set the digest format option, and to find >>>answers to other frequently asked questions like how to temporarily stop and >>>restart messages being sent w/o unsubscribing, visit: >>> >>>http://www.nifl.gov/cgi-bin/lincs/discussions/help/list_help.cgi?list=aalpd >>> >>>2) List archives can be located at: >>> >>>http://www.nifl.gov/lincs/discussions/nifl-aalpd/aalpd.html >>> >>>3) To unsubscribe, visit: >>>http://www.nifl.gov/lincs/discussions/nifl-aalpd/unsubscribe_aalpd.html >>> >>> >>>I realize we are all very busy people; thanks for being sensitive to each >>>other's needs. >>> >>>Jackie Taylor >>>NIFL-AALPD Moderator >>>jataylor@utk.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> >===== Original Message From nifl-aalpd@nifl.gov ===== >>> >Andres: >>> > >>> >Yes, you can select which members of the forum to send messges to. Just >>> >ask for the Emails of those who respond and then continue your >>> conversation. >>> > >>> >There are few particpants in "your particular forum discussion at the >>> >moment" and many participants who are not participating, but must go >>> >through the tedious process of deleting the lengthy memos. >>> > >>> >Wouldn't it be kinder for the "few" to send "within their group" than to >>> >ask the majority to unsubscribe from the service? >>> > >>> >There has been other questions and information that has been valuable >>> >besides the "diversity" issue. Thank you. >>> > >>> >Barbara >>> > >>> >At 12:36 PM 04/16/2003 -0400, you wrote: >>> >>julie ane everyone else that does not want to get all the ALLPD replys : >>> >> >>> >>non of us can delete you from our email lists, because we do not have a >>> >>list of all participants. We are members of a "forum" as well as you. >>> >>Anything posted to the forum will go to all members, and we cannot select >>> >>which members of the forum we can send messeges to. >>> >> >>> >>If you do not want to get messeges from the forum, you need to >>> >>unsubscribe, following the same process that you used to subscribe. I am >>> >>sure that Jackie can give you directions to do this. >>> >> >>> >>Andres >>> >> >>> >>-- >>> >>go here: www.geocities.com/andresmuro/art.html > >
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