Return-Path: <nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id h3TJY3U10208; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <Sea2-F23f2wTa5XyoU30002d245@hotmail.com> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: "Eileen Eckert" <eileeneckert@hotmail.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-AALPD:274] I hope my critics will read this X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Status: O Content-Length: 3459 Lines: 91 Thank you all for such illustrative responses. I'm drawing several conclusions from the responses that suggested I should not have made my last remark. From those responses, I'd conclude that the writers define "freedom of speech" as the absence of government censorship, and that that is the <only> criteria needed to have freedom of speech. If that is the case, then such freedom of speech can be achieved in a few different ways: 1. Through such thorough socialization that speakers and writers internalize the norms of the group and only express thoughts and ideas that fit those norms. 2. Through conscious self-editing so as not to inadvertently offend the most politically correct and narrowly defined conventions of professionalism. 3. The vigorous protection and exchange of ideas that are sometimes offensive, politically incorrect, unprofessional, thoughtless, and/or just plain wrong! Personally, I choose #3. I believe that potentially transformative learning experiences are often uncomfortable, offensive, or otherwise painful, and that we've got to take the bad with the good. It seems I'm in the minority. By the way, a few people got the joke, and one was kind enough to say it put her in mind of Jonathan Swift's satire on cannabalizing children to solve the problems of poverty and overpopulation. Personally, I was thinking of Mark Twain's "The Corruption of Hadleyburg." Happy on the margins, fearful of the mainstream, Eileen From: Susan Holt <msholt@comcast.net> Reply-To: nifl-aalpd@nifl.gov To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-AALPD:271] Re: educator's roles in politics and advocacy Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:27:14 -0400 (EDT) I am stunned as well. This line of conversation is not what I signed up for. Let's get back to more helpful and constructive dialog. Thank you. SH -----Original Message----- From: nifl-aalpd@nifl.gov [mailto:nifl-aalpd@nifl.gov] On Behalf Of AWilder106@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 1:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [NIFL-AALPD:266] Re: educator's roles in politics and advocacy Dear Eileen, I almost don't believe I am responding to your post. I was following you fine until your last sentence. It seems to me your political and religious views completely undercut your advocacy stance and your stance as an educator! First, "moron." It seems to me unacceptable for an educator to use this within such a post as it is derogatory slang. "Moron" is a word we're trying to get rid of in the wider culture,except in very informal speech, and here in MA where funds for residential programs for the retarded are being slashed... One educator on this list told me, when I asked, that the only people he couldn't teach were those with no insight, what we might call "mentally retarded." I don't even want to use your word on this list!!! As to invoking the diety---some on this list are beleivers and others not, I expect. But professinally it seems useful, and something we have signed on for, to accept a questionning stance in general. I don't really see "god" as part of the discussion. I expect others may disagree on these points, maybe, maybe not, but given who we are or who we profess to be, I am stunned. Andrea _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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