Return-Path: <nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id i1DHDSI23423; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:13:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:13:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4034F50D@webmail.utk.edu> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: jataylor <jataylor@utk.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-AALPD:999] Re: literacy of prisoners X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Mailer: Infinite Mobile Delivery (Hydra) SMTP v3.62.01 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Status: O Content-Length: 3814 Lines: 96 Hello Everyone, Thank you, Catherine, for clarifying what you mean. And to build upon that, there are two issues. List guidelines, and how the community here chooses to interact with one another - our unspoken culture, if you will. It is my understanding that the former is NIFL's concern; the latter is what I interpret Varshna (and perhaps others) to mean. Please, keep challenging, share your dissent, build common ground, offer a variety of perspectives, have dialogue or debate, but NIFL has asked me to ask you to not make it personal. That's all. And on the second matter, it's always difficult to portray tone via cyberspace. Maybe some of you have suggestions as to how, in online PD, that you encourage teachers to express tone? Thanks! Jackie >===== Original Message From nifl-aalpd@nifl.gov ===== >Hello All: > >In response to Jackie and my own recent note--mine was not meant >as a personal attack on Mr. Sweet. Rather, it was a warning to the >person who asked question to watch for writings and policy coming >consistently from very arguable positions, as was the recent quotation >noted here and attributed to Mr. Sweet. > >Also, I would expect Mr. Sweet, or anyone here, to do the same for me. >That is, if I am ignorant of something, please let me know and I will >endeavor to question my own positions on the matter. As you all know, >that's the only way such ignorance can be cured--through dialogue and >challenging others' positions, as the prior note from Andres did. And >this need is increased exponentially for someone who is setting policy >in a democracy. > >Also, we are all guilty of ignorance, and unless Mr. Sweet knows >everything about everything, he is no exception. My guess is, he has >developed a pretty thick skin, as anyone should who is in such a >controversial public position. And as Socrates said, it's better to >be disabused of my own bad positions than to have to disabuse >someone else of theirs. > >Also, when critique of one's positions is misinterpreted as a personal >attack, we have taken a step towards another, more subtle, attack on >dialogue. As one of my students said recently, she tells her students >that "It's rude to disagree." And this is a teacher of sixth graders who >are supposed to be growing up in a democracy where open dialogue >and debate are its life blood. > >But then, it's dialogue that has come under attack from many who fail to >understand the political ground that we all still are supposed to be walking >on. It seems in our efforts to protect our democracy, we are putting its >tenets under considerable fire. > >Catherine King > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "jataylor" <jataylor@utk.edu> >To: "Multiple recipients of list" <nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov> >Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 9:30 AM >Subject: [NIFL-AALPD:978] Re: literacy of prisoners > > >> NIFL-AALPD Subscribers: >> I ask that we refrain from implying expletives in our online communities. >If >> we are indeed a community of professionals and maybe even a learning >> community, I welcome any conversation on "how" we work together as we >work. >> After all, we are all involved or interested in professional development. >How >> can public discussion forums (i.e. "listservs") also be used as a tool to >> build community? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Jackie >> >> >> >===== Original Message From nifl-aalpd@nifl.gov ===== >> >Is it necessary to have this obviously off-list tongue-lashing on the >list? >> >I find the tone of the response offensive and inappropriate to a >> >"professional list". I especially feel there is no place on the list for >> >expletives. Whatever point was trying to be made was lost in the first >few >> >words. Moderator, do you have any comments? >> > >> >Sincerely, >> >Varshna N. Jackson >> >
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