Return-Path: <nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id i1ELDTI28964; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:13:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:13:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <20040214211232.3921.qmail@web14310.mail.yahoo.com> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: tom zurinskas <tzurinskas@yahoo.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-AALPD:1028] Re: Don't cede the realm of research to the positivists X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: O Content-Length: 3778 Lines: 122 Andres, You're wrong on many counts here. Spelling is a problem. There are twice as many dislexics in languages like English than in more phonetically spelled languages like Italian. This is the last I'll discuss it with you. I don't like to deal with rude people. Read this slowly R-U-D-E. Tom Z --- AndresMuro@aol.com wrote: > Tom: I am not disputing the facts that you state > below, nor your citation. What I am saying is that > you don't have one shread of evidence to say that > people have literacy problems because they learned > with phonics vs sight word reading. > > According to the National Adult Literacy Survey > (NALS) there are approximately 40 million adults who > score in the lowest literacy level and another 40 > who score in the second lowest. However, their > problem is not that they cannot read single words > correctly nor spell properly. It is that they cannot > read critically. Let me say it again slowly. They > cannot read C R I T I C A L L Y. > > Phonics does not teach people to read critically. It > simply teaches people how to recognize sound > patterns and spell them correctly. Spelling is N O T > the problem. Reading C R I T I C A L L Y is. > > Phonics does not teach people how to read C R I T I > C A L L Y. > > If you want to understand the theory of how phonics > and sight word recogniton works, refer to my > previous posting. I tried to simplify it as much as > possible for people w/o background in language > acquisition and processing. If there is any part of > the message that you did not understand, please let > me know so that I can clarify it for you. > > So, you can cite lots of references about illiteracy > and everyone here agrees with you. What people > dispute is the claim that the porblem is lack of > phonics instruction, and the solution is phonics > instruction. > > Andres > > > > > In a message dated 2/13/2004 5:55:06 PM Eastern > Standard Time, tom zurinskas <tzurinskas@yahoo.com> > writes: > > > > >--- AndresMuro@aol.com wrote: > >> Trouble is, that thay ain't even positivists. > >> Yesterday we got a phonics message that had not > even > >> a hint of scientific research. It was all based > on > >> opinions of one guy, that wrote a long an > >> sensationalist and unscientific article. > >> > >> Andres > > > >The message on phonics sited this research with > regard > >to prison literacy "Even more troubling are the > >findings of The Orton Dyslexia Society that > illiterate > >adults account for 75 percent of the unemployed, > one > >third of the mothers receiving AFDC, 85 percent of > the > >juveniles who appear in court, 60 percent of prison > >inmates, and nearly 40 percent of minority youth.” > >Perhaps you missed the citation. > > > >Tom Z > > > >===== > >Read all about truespel at truespel.com. > >Read “Truespel Book One: Analysis of the Sounds > (Phonemes) of USA English > >http://www.1stbooks.com/cgi-bin/1st?partner~1st|type~6|Data1~16593 > >Convert text to truespel USA accent by copy/pasting > it at: > http://www.foreignword.com/dictionary/truespel/transpel.htm > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing > online. > >http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > > > > -- > go here: www.geocities.com/andresmuro/art.html > ===== Read all about truespel at truespel.com. Read “Truespel Book One: Analysis of the Sounds (Phonemes) of USA English http://www.1stbooks.com/cgi-bin/1st?partner~1st|type~6|Data1~16593 Convert text to truespel USA accent by copy/pasting it at: http://www.foreignword.com/dictionary/truespel/transpel.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html
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