Return-Path: <nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id i1J3ZZI10937; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:35:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:35:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <20040219033353.51080.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: tom zurinskas <tzurinskas@yahoo.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-AALPD:1078] Re: Light, not heat X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: O Content-Length: 3972 Lines: 131 David, I'd like to hear your ideas first, David, while I compose mine. Remember I was merely responding to a post asking for info on prison illiteracy. The citation I send included within it a statement that lack of teaching phonetics was a reason for illiteracy and illiteracy appears to lead to crime. This was from another author, Mr. Sweet. But I do agree with Mr. Sweet and with others who said here that phonetics or phonics should be an integral part of teaching reading. I'd go further but I'm afraid my reference to my spelling system would censor this post for proselatizing. But I'll be recommending the truespel system as the way to go, a simple, standard pronunciation guide spelling for adults and kids. Tom Z --- David Rosen <djrosen@comcast.net> wrote: > Tom, > > Andres Muro has responded to my request with serious > arguments and > citations. George Demetrion has added his own > arguments and citations. > I, and perhaps others, would be interested to hear > yours. If you > disagree with Andres and or George, what do you > disagree with? Why? > What evidence do you have from theory or research? > And please, on this > list, connect your arguments and evidence with > recommendations for > professional development. > > Thanks. > > David > > David J. Rosen > djrosen@comcast.net > > On Saturday, February 14, 2004, at 09:31 PM, David > Rosen wrote: > > > Andres and Tom, > > > > If you want me -- and very likely other NIFL-AALPD > readers -- to pay > > attention to your arguments, please use reason and > cite evidence. > > Abjure ad hominem arguments, sweeping > generalizations, sarcasm, and > > shouting (capitalized words are considered > shouting in the e-list > > environment.) > > > > Tom, concisely, what are your arguments, and what > is your evidence, > > especially scientifically-based evidence which you > may have for your > > arguments about reading and spelling as they apply > to adults. What > > scientifically-based research on adults is the > basis of your (and > > Robert Sweet's) arguments? Are you arguing, for > example, that the > > reason that _all_ adults in America cannot read is > that they did not > > have as children (and now as adults do not have) > teachers who were > > well trained in phonics methods? (If not all? > Then how many, what > > percent? What's your evidence?) > > > > Andres, are you saying that phonics-based > approaches will not be of > > significant help to dyslexic adults who have > difficulty decoding > > words, or are you saying that this is just one > group of adults who > > have reading difficulty and that there are others? > Lay it out for us. > > What are the various causes of adult reading > difficulty? What's your > > evidence? > > > > And please, if you can, tell us what you think the > implications of > > your arguments are for staff development, the > focus of this list. How > > should we be "training" teachers of native English > speaking adults who > > cannot read at all or who are reading at NALS > Level 1 for example? > > Should the training be different for teachers of > adults who are > > learning English, SPL 1-3, for example? What > should teachers of > > adults know and be able to do to help adults who > can read (who have > > decoding skills, some automaticity, and a fairly > good vocabulary) but > > who cannot read well, or critically? > > > > Shed some light, please. > > > > Thanks, > > > > David J. Rosen > > djrosen@comcast,net > > > ===== Read all about truespel at truespel.com. Read “Truespel Book One: Analysis of the Sounds (Phonemes) of USA English http://www.1stbooks.com/cgi-bin/1st?partner~1st|type~6|Data1~16593 Convert text to truespel USA accent by copy/pasting it at: http://www.foreignword.com/dictionary/truespel/transpel.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools
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