Return-Path: <nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id i2RN51m28505; Sat, 27 Mar 2004 18:05:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 18:05:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <20040327230216.52809.qmail@web14306.mail.yahoo.com> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: tom zurinskas <tzurinskas@yahoo.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-AALPD:1220] Egyptian is phonetic too X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: O Content-Length: 3486 Lines: 93 Thanks Eileen, Thanks for your apology. I don't know what "phonics alone" teaching is. Do you know of any program where that alone exists? I don't know why you're going back to another post completely out of the context of our discussion, but I do believe that leaving phonics intentionally out of reading instruction is akin to malpractice. It needs to be pointed out to students that letters stand for sounds. That's a reality that needs to be explained. Lately I've heard this also applies to ancient Egyptian cuneiform writing. And to decipher hieroglyphics means you have to know that certain symbols stand for sounds. It would be improper to teach hieroglyphics otherwise knowing that some symbols stand for sounds. About the phonemic awareness gap for kids and adults, on approach is truespel (keyboard accessible phonetic spelling). Kids taught how to use the alphabet (26 letters) to spell their foenubet (40 sounds of USA English) will be able to read and write short stories in first grade. The truespel dictionary will be available so that words can be looked up phonetically. Translation guides in truespel will allow the easiest possible approach to speaking other languages. This is a new integration approach I am unique in pursuing. tz Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11: 44: 29 -0500 (EST) From: "Eileen Eckert" <eileeneckert@hotmail.com Add to Address Book To: "Multiple recipients of list" <nifl-aalpd@literacy.nifl.gov Subject: [NIFL-AALPD: 1218] Re: here we go again Tom, I apologize for my tone; I was kicking myself after I sent it. Here's the thing, and I want to say it clearly and without any sarcasm: I don't hear anyone disagreeing with you that phonemic awareness is important, or that for most children phonics is a foundational part of good reading, or that for many adults reading remediation has to go back to phonics. I have two problems with what you're saying: first, that accusations of educational malpractice (I know you said those were Bob Sweet's words, but you posted them) against teachers who are not in the "phonics only" camp are unnecessarily polarizing. It's not an us vs. them situation--at least not anymore--with phonics advocates the victims of the big bad whole language wolves. I incorporate phonemic awareness into helping my daughter, especially with spelling, and she uses phonics and phonemic awareness in two languages to read well above grade level in both Spanish and English, but when I hear that educational malpractice stuff I want to jump on the bandwagon on the opposite side. Second, good reading may start with phonics, but it goes well beyond phonics, phonemic awareness, and decoding. Many many people can read for literal meaning but cannot accurately make inferences or draw conclusions or do lots of "critical reading" tasks. These are important too. I think we'd get further ahead if we talked about how to recognize and correct gaps in phonemic awareness in adults, and how to support both decoding and critical reading skills. Eileen ===== Read “Truespel Book One: Analysis of the Sounds (Phonemes) of USA English http://www.1stBooks.com/bookview/16593 Convert text to truespel USA accent by copy/pasting text at: http://www.foreignword.com/dictionary/truespel/transpel.htm Read all about truespel at truespel.com. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html
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