Return-Path: <nifl-assessment@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id i4PHcgm07053; Tue, 25 May 2004 13:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 13:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <001501c4427f$a764fdf0$0302a8c0@frodo> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-assessment@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-assessment@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-assessment@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: "Marie Cora" <marie.cora@hotspurpartners.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-assessment@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ASSESSMENT:575] Forward from: [AAACE-NLA] Delusion of Accountability in Adult Education X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; Status: O Content-Length: 2263 Lines: 63 Hello all, As promised, I'm forwarding a reply of interest to you regarding this recent discussion. marie cora NIFL Assessment List Moderator -----Original Message----- From: aaace-nla-bounces@lists.literacytent.org [mailto:aaace-nla-bounces@lists.literacytent.org] On Behalf Of AWilder106@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:29 AM To: National Literacy Advocacy List sponsored by AAACE Subject: [AAACE-NLA] Delusion of Accountability in Adult Education (longer) Colleagues, A couple of points--in my opinion-- 1) The same valid and reliable measures should be given as part of the AELS--across all states. These measures should be designed to catch measurable learning gains in literacy. Do different types of programs require different types of assessments? Then comparable programs should have comparable assessments--but something measurable, showing gains. 2) Students with diagnosed learning disabilities should be given accommodations. The report that Tom cites sounds obnoxious: condescending and faulty in reasoning. I buy the taxpayer argument. I am a taxpayer, too, and I want to know that my money is actually helping students make adult literacy gains. The crux of the problem is how literacy gains are to be measured. Do higher levels translate into jobs? More income? Better housing? Health care? Or is advancement through levels the gain that will insure the other outcomes? What should I subsidize? What should I push for? (I have also observed teachers "coach" students into filling in test sheets.) About self-esteem--I see that as an outcome of measurable skill growth. In general I toss that out as a measure, as something that can be measured directly. I think that VALUE plus educators should give a wack at solving the problems, maybe on this list serv. As a taxpayer I want to know that my money makes a measurable difference in increasing adult literacy. What would this take in program design and redesign? Who wants to go first? Andrea _______________________________________________ AAACE-NLA mailing list: AAACE-NLA@lists.literacytent.org http://lists.literacytent.org/mailman/listinfo/aaace-nla LiteracyTent: web hosting, news, community and goodies for literacy http://literacytent.org
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