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From: Bev Krieger <bev@kwantlen.bc.ca>
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Subject: [NIFL-ESL:3880] Re: ESL and Learning Disabilities
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As a matter of fact, my Master's thesis completed in 1996, addressed this
very area. I was looking for the common threads between the learners in
my adult literacy classes. Our program includes advanced ESL learners,
native speakers, students who are immigrants from a country where English
is the official language but it is non-standard, and native born students
from homes where a language other than English is spoken in the home.
Interestingly enough I discovered the same things as Jan has delineated.
There is a need for specific phonological training (i.e. sound letter
correspondences, segmentation, and riming). As well, all expressed
alienation. If you want more information, feel free to contact me.
Bev Krieger
> Fe:
>
> For a long time, I have thought that these two fields
> have a lot to say to each other. I have a master's in
> TESL and then began working in adult ed and from there
> to close involvement with adults with LD. I see two
> main similarities between ESL students and adults with
> severe LD. Both may need to work on the sounds of the
> English language and how to discriminate among these
> sounds. Another strange similarity is that adults
> with severe LD don't seem at home in their own
> culture. They have trouble being culturally
> approriate in things such as personal space,
> appropriate conversation, getting jokes, etc in much
> the same way that ESL students who are new to the
> culture.
>
> I'm not sure that teaching them together is a good
> situation because I have never had any experience with
> that combination, but I think that the similarities
> should be explored for the sake of what they can tell
> us about teaching both populations. Jan Stotts
>
> --- JoAnn M Boss <esl108b@juno.com> wrote:
> > Collegues
> > I would hope the few students in Special Education
> > were
> > placed due to their iep not "Inclusion" law which
> > exists in your
> > school.
> > The department head of Special Ed should give you
> > some knowledgable
> > feedback on this idea, whether it is viable, and
> > what her opinions truly
> > are.In addition to advice about curriculum,etc. you
> > will save her a lot
> > of money.
> >
> >
> >
> > .
> > Rainman's worried
> > mom
> >
> > On Sat, 25 Dec 1999 18:44:25 -0500 (EST)
> > fesharp@juno.com writes:
> > >Dear Collegues,
> > >
> > > As a grateful subscriber to this
> > list-serv, I would like to
> > >wish
> > >Fran much luck in her new endeavors, and look
> > forward to her input,
> > >as
> > >always.
> > >
> > > I've mentioned to some before that I am
> > currently a teacher
> > >of
> > >ESL on the Secondary level in an urban high
> > school.I have had the
> > >opportunity to teach a few students in Special
> > Education who were
> > >placed
> > >in my classes due to the "Inclusion" law which
> > exists in our school
> > >system. Since I began interraction with Sped
> > teachers, I realized
> > >that
> > >there were some similarities between the materials
> > we use, and some
> > >of
> > >our teaching methodologies.Through a rather unique
> > series of
> > >circumstances, I was able to have an English
> > speaking Sped student
> > >participate in my ESL Language Arts Lab class, for
> > a short period of
> > >time. This boy was flunking his mainstream English
> > class, and felt
> > >quite
> > >comfortable in the ESL class where we were
> > beginning to read
> > >"Rainman".
> > >It occured to me that this might be something to
> > pursue, since the
> > >Sped
> > >teachers have begun borrowing my books, and have
> > shared the mutual
> > >interests we share in our respective arenas. I
> > broached the question
> > >of
> > >whether I might begin a pilot program for next year
> > for a class of
> > >high
> > >functioning Sped students and Intermediate-low
> > advanced ESL students.
> > >The
> > >department head of Special Ed has voiced her
> > interest in possibly
> > >joining
> > >me in this endeavor. I would like to ask if there
> > are any of my
> > >collegues
> > >who can give me some knowledgable feedback on this
> > idea, whether it
> > >is
> > >viable, and what your opinions truly are.In
> > addition, is there anyone
> > >who
> > >can give me any advice about curriculum,etc
> > >
> > >
> > > Looking forward to any and all
> > comments.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > Fe Sharp
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > FeSharp@juno.com
> >
>
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