Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f3JH6rg25885; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <229E812D42724F4393D3256F3DEF21A741D7EF@dino.msde.state.md.us> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: Peggy Seufert <pseufert@msde.state.md.us> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:5833] Re: "Just in Time Civics" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Type: text/plain; X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Status: O Content-Length: 2343 Lines: 68 A somewhat related story from Maryland. Some local banks will not open bank accounts for people without social security cards. Thus, many immigrants are using "check-cashing" busineses that charge for their services. So there's a large population of immigrants walking around with lots of money in their pockets (note they often share apartments and fear leaving the money in the apartments). The end result is a significant amount of assault and robbery in the neighborhood. All for the lack of a Social Security Card! A community action group has worked with the local banks and have been successful with one bank now opening accounts without social security card numbers. I wish I were still in the classroom to work on the topic "social security" -- it extends far beyond employment............ Peggy Seufert Maryland State Department of Education 200 W. Baltimore Street Baltimore, MD 21201 410-767-4150 pseufert@msde.state.md.us -----Original Message----- From: Susan Gaer [mailto:sgaer@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 12:26 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [NIFL-ESL:5831] Re: "Just in Time Civics" My scenario In California you need a social security number to get a driver license. Therefore many students drive without licences. Here is the scenario: A student is driving and a woman hits him. He has no driver license so he pays for damages for her car. Next he goes to court because he was driving illegally. He gets off lightly with a 200 dollar fine because his teacher writes a letter of support claiming he is an upstanding citizen. This situation worked out ok for the student because he knew how to use resources to help him. Although from a safety standpoint it would be better for him not to drive, that is not the reality. In Southern California many many people are driving illegally. What would be good to discuss is how to deal with police officers, lawyers and judges in this type of situation. BTW...I am not advocating that students drive with no license, it is just the reality. ===== Susan Gaer, Santa Ana College, School of Continuing Education 2900 W Edinger Ave Santa Ana, CA 92704 (714)564-5016 Fax: (714)434-7920 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
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