Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f9UErN023823; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:53:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:53:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3BDEBD79.837DCC76@georgetown.edu> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: Albert Wat <ayw@georgetown.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:6610] re: FW: Anti-Terrorism Bill will affect X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Type: multipart/alternative; X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) Status: O Content-Length: 3765 Lines: 79 --------------FB2E8F3EA27757A7FD66724D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In regards to Joe's point below... I fail to see how providing non-English speaking residents access to food, shelter, housing, health care, or even transportation, jobs, and education lessens the incentive to learn English. People still need to be able to communicate with doctors and nurses, read a bus schedule, express their grievances to their boss, have a parent-teacher conference at school, etc., etc. In our program, we work with adults who have access to most or all of these resources, many of which are tax-funded (e.g., public transportation system). And yet they still come to ESL classes every week. Joe might have more of an argument with people having less incentive to be a citizen if given access to the above, but even then, there are some profound limitations to what you can do in society if you're not a citizen (e.g., voting rights). -- Albert Wat, Program Coordinator DC Schools Project Office of Volunteer & Public Service - Center for Social Justice Georgetown University, Poulton Hall 1421 37th St., NW, 1st Floor Washington, DC 20057 Tel: (202)687-8868 Fax: (202)687-8980 Joe Little wrote: > And my point is: there's never a good place to draw the line regarding tax-based social services, but if you include food, shelter, clothing, & medical care, let alone education, transportation and employment then i am persuaded there's very little if any incentive for learning English and becoming an American citizen. > > Joe > ---------------------------------------------------- > Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today > Only $9.95 per month! > http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r --------------FB2E8F3EA27757A7FD66724D Content-Type: text/html; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> In regards to Joe's point below... <p>I fail to see how providing non-English speaking residents <b>access</b> to food, shelter, housing, health care, or even transportation, jobs, and education lessens the incentive to learn English. People still need to be able to communicate with doctors and nurses, read a bus schedule, express their grievances to their boss, have a parent-teacher conference at school, etc., etc. In our program, we work with adults who have access to most or all of these resources, many of which are tax-funded (e.g., public transportation system). And yet they still come to ESL classes every week. Joe might have more of an argument with people having less incentive to be a citizen if given access to the above, but even then, there are some profound limitations to what you can do in society if you're not a citizen (e.g., voting rights). <p>-- <p>Albert Wat, Program Coordinator <br>DC Schools Project <br>Office of Volunteer & Public Service - Center for Social Justice <br>Georgetown University, Poulton Hall <br>1421 37th St., NW, 1st Floor <br>Washington, DC 20057 <br>Tel: (202)687-8868 Fax: (202)687-8980 <p>Joe Little wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>And my point is: there's never a good place to draw the line regarding tax-based social services, but if you include food, shelter, clothing, & medical care, let alone education, transportation and employment then i am persuaded there's very little if any incentive for learning English and becoming an American citizen. <p>Joe <br>---------------------------------------------------- <br>Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today <br>Only $9.95 per month! <br><a href="http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r">http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r></blockquote> <br> <br> <br> </html> --------------FB2E8F3EA27757A7FD66724D--
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