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From: "Joy Peyton" <joy@cal.org>
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Subject: [NIFL-ESL:6846] Dialect or language
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On the topic of whether "black English" (in the 70s called Black
Vernacular English, then in the 90s African American Vernacular English,
then Ebonics) is a language or a dialect. Dr. Ralph Fasold at Georgetown
University in Washington, DC, has written what I think is a very
interesting paper on this topic - "Ebonic Need Not be English." He
presents an interesting argument, and the paper is well worth reading.
It is available at=20
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http://www.cal.org/ericcll/digest/ebonic-issue.html
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Joy Kreeft Peyton=20
Center for Applied Linguistics=20
4646 40th St., NW=20
Washington, DC 20016=20
202-362-0700=20
joy@cal.org=20
www.cal.org=20
-----Original Message-----
From: AndresMuro@aol.com [mailto:AndresMuro@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 10:01 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: [NIFL-ESL:6844] RE: Tom Sticht's Democracy
I believe that Chomsky said that the difference between a language and a
dialect is that a language has an army and a navy.=20
Andres
In a message dated 1/8/2002 11:59:12 AM Mountain Standard Time,
KathleenBombach@aol.com writes:
Perhaps we could have a black linguist join us as a guest host--Andres
Muro introduced me to the idea of black English as a separate language
(I still consider it a dialect) while others call it 'substandard'
English
andresmuro@aol.com
Visit my art webpage at:
http://www.geocities.com/andresmuro/artwork.html=20
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or a dialect. Dr. Ralph Fasold at Georgetown University in =
Washington, DC,=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Joy Kreeft Peyton</FONT> <BR><FONT =
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size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> AndresMuro@aol.com =
[mailto:AndresMuro@aol.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 08, 2002 =
10:01=20
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FAMILY=3D"SERIF">I believe that Chomsky said that the difference =
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language and a dialect is that a language has an army and a navy.=20
<BR><BR>Andres<BR><BR>In a message dated 1/8/2002 11:59:12 AM Mountain =
Standard Time, KathleenBombach@aol.com writes:<BR><BR></FONT><FONT =
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TYPE=3D"CITE">Perhaps we could have a black linguist join us as a =
guest=20
host--Andres Muro introduced me to the idea of black English as a =
separate=20
language (I still consider it a dialect) while others call it =
'substandard'=20
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