[NIFL-ESL:6847] RE: Tom Sticht's Democracy

From: Laurie Cox (coxl@midlandstech.com)
Date: Wed Jan 09 2002 - 15:59:46 EST


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How funny--I was just thinking of the same bromide about languages v.
dialects.

Here in South Carolina, when I'm not teaching ESL at my community college,
I'm teaching freshman composition to native speakers of various southern
regional dialects, including some students from the islands along the coast
who are bidialectal in Gullah and other varieties of English.  We take the
"dialect v. substandard English" issue, and the concept of being
linguistically competent in more than one dialect, as fodder for a paper.
We begin by watching Walt Wolfram's old video "American Tongues," and then
read a couple of chapters from his book "American English: Dialects and
Variations" (with lots of support from the instructor).  Students also read
Gloria Anzaldua's essay "How to Tame a Wild Tongue," plus Richard Rodriguez
and other writers on issues of language variety and social stigma.   I
demonstrate dialect-switching here and there in class (into my family's
south Georgia dialect), and we affirm our shared need to retain a variety we
can use when we talk to our grandparents.  This unit does things at once:
it provides students with the context for why we're always harping about the
importance of editing their writing towards Standard English, but it also
helps students who have always been ashamed of the way they talk, when they
can see others taking pride in being able to switch back and forth from
standard to regional varieties of English.

And now that Joy directed us towards Fasold's article on Ebonic, I might
bring that into class too.  Thanks, Joy -- Laurie
________________________________________ 
Laurie B. Cox 
English Department, Beltline Campus 
Midlands Technical College 
P.O. Box 2408 
Columbia, SC  29202 
803-738-7844 
Note new e-mail address: 
coxl@midlandstech.com 





-----Original Message-----
From: AndresMuro@aol.com [mailto:AndresMuro@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 9:01 PM
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Subject: [NIFL-ESL:6844] RE: Tom Sticht's Democracy


I believe that Chomsky said that the difference between a language and a
dialect is that a language has an army and a navy. 

Andres

In a message dated 1/8/2002 11:59:12 AM Mountain Standard Time,
KathleenBombach@aol.com writes:



Perhaps we could have a black linguist join us as a guest host--Andres Muro
introduced me to the idea of black English as a separate language (I still
consider it a dialect) while others call it 'substandard' English



andresmuro@aol.com
Visit my art webpage at: http://www.geocities.com/andresmuro/artwork.html 



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