Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g11J1gu00785; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:01:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:01:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <sc5a84b8.040@epcc.edu> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: "Andres Muro" <andresm.RGCAMPUS.EPCCRG@epcc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:7139] Re: TESOL 2002 Roommate Finder X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 Status: O Content-Length: 5628 Lines: 122 Rosie: For clarification purposes, it wasn't Andrea, but Andres that made the sarcastic remarks. Andres >>> rmaum@yahoo.com 02/01/02 11:33AM >>> I have to completely disagree with your criticism of TESOL. I have attended the last two and each time found an immense number of very insightful and stimulating sessions - you just have to give yourself the time to research what you want and need in the program book. Most of the session that I attended were either research-based or technology-based and I can't tell you how much I have learned, both about recent research studies, trends and about technology based instruction. As a doctoral candidate I have also attended several early morning sessions where the presenters provided us (graduate students) with extremely useful information. TESOL has just about a little bit for everyone. And on top of everything else, like Tommy mentions, it really gives you a unique and priceless chance to mingle with colleagues and professionals in your same field from around the world. When I come back from TESOL I feel extremely invigorated and "recharged". Ujwala, as opposed to Andrea's su! ggestions, I would encourage you to try again (maybe in an interdisciplinary strand?) because you would have a lot to contribute. I really hope to be able to meet all of you in Baltimore next year! Rosie Maum "Tommy B. McDonell" <tbr202@nyu.edu> wrote: While I agree that it is not research oriented, (although they took our research proposal), dogs are smart enough not to enter it. My goldens say though the book that I bring home every year that i've torn apart is quite tasty! The thing I hate most about it is there is a huge book to go through, in one day, with only about five things that are interesting and there are gobs of people at popular ones. The first year I went it was interesting (Seattle) but it has gotten less so each year. I spend more time now at AAAL and the testing association which are normally at the same time. But as much as I don't like it and find it too expensive by far, especially as I pay my own way, I always like seeing people from this list like Carol etc. Tommy Tommy B. McDonell (Ms.) Adjunct, Marymount Manhattan College La Guardia Community College; Consultant- ClickOn @ the Library for the NYPL. Doctoral Candidate at NYU 212-414-8513 before 9:30PM Tommy.McDonell@nyu.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: [NIFL-ESL:7131] Re: TESOL 2002 Roommate Finder Ujwala: I've been to TESOL a few times and all I can say is that this is probably the conference that manages to spend more $$$ attract more people and have the largest number of boring, repetitious, traditional, workshops and presentations. Neoliberalism at its best. Because it is so popular, everybody and their dogs submit proposals which are grouped into topics of interest. At the same time, the number of presentations that are selected by topics of interest depend % of people that are interested in a given topic. The majority of people are interested in learning specific techniques to teach ESL in the classroom. So they will accept more proposals addressing classroom techniques. Less people are interested in social issues, language theory, gender, health, etc. Therefore, they select less topics from these categories. Therefore, if you want to get your proposal accepted you need to dress it up as a classroom technique presentation and give it a name such as: 'Songs puzzles and other games to facilitate acquisition of the verb 'to be' in its perfect forms'; or 'Lets have fun w/object pronouns'; or 'Drill not, but engage your students:rock and roll to teach the passive voice' I could almost guarantee that one of these titles may earn you a spot at TESOL 2003. This gives me and idea for our program as a fund raiser. I'll be selling proposal titles and abstracts for people wanting to present at TESOL. I'll charge $50.00. $5.00 for submitting a proposal with your name and $45.00 if it gets accepted. Andres PS: Just in case anyone took me seriously, the proposal idea is a joke In a message dated Fri, 1 Feb 2002 9:53:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Ujwala Samant" writes: > Meral, > > I don't know why, but this is the second time I've been turned down by > TESOL. I am assuming this turn down anyway. Since I am not a TESOL member, > and not really a TESOL practitioner, I have to say that it did not give me > any sleepless nights. What does concern me is that I think my research would > inform the adult TESOL groups, because our study looks at what goes on in > adult ESOL classrooms in the US. I saw it as a venue to disseminate > findings. Maybe they didn't receive my proposal. I don't know. I doubt it > had to do with me being different, because from what I'm told, the proposals > are read sans names and addresses. > > Anyway, another year, another conference. > > What your friend went through was outright racism. I just had a friend tell > me that she was offered a job at a pharmaceutical company, after having done > her post-doc there, by her boss at a really low salary. When she asked why, > he told her that they offered Asians less money anyway because they are > willing to work for less!!! To her face. What interesting times we live in. > > cheers > Ujwala Samant > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions Great stuff seeking new owners! Bid now!
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