Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g99IbRX22804; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3DA47604.76092751@adelphia.net> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: Jean Fahey <ffahey@adelphia.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8153] Re: Phoneme-Schoneme X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; U) Status: O Content-Length: 3446 Lines: 87 different strokes for different folks! I found that I had been teaching "holistically" and ignoring the mechanics of phonetics/sound/relationship to print and was doing a disservice to my students...I strongly resent the snide "Yea Heather!"and other hurtful comments. I visit my student's homes to explain things to their parents, volunteer to teach at a local restaurant because the workers can't make it to the night classes. Now,I'm sure I'll be accused of being "holier than thou," which I am not. Just wanted to say that my discussion of phonemes was an honest one and designed to explain that there are many parts that make a whole,and in my experience, some of my students benefit from being taught the "parts." Amanda Wendt wrote: > > Yay, Heather! > > -----Original Message----- > From: nifl-esl@nifl.gov [mailto:nifl-esl@nifl.gov]On Behalf Of Susan > Ryan > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:21 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8151] Re: Phoneme-Schoneme > > I agree. > > >From: "Bloor, Heather" <Heather.Bloor@ywcamilw.org> > >Reply-To: nifl-esl@nifl.gov > >To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> > >Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8139] Re: Phoneme-Schoneme > >Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:39:59 -0400 (EDT) > > > >I have to say that at first this was mildy interesting but now it is > >annoying. My students don't care about the difference between thigh and > >thy. They are happy to learn the word leg and this part so they can show > >the doctor where it hurts. > > > >How many of us have taught Thisledew in the last 6 months? > > > >Can we please discuss things that are worthy of our attention becuase the > >topic are worthy to our students. I for one think that conversations about > >how open enrollment effects class or how to teach students who are not > >literate in their primary language would help me do my job. These phoneme > >conversations just give me something to delete from my email. > > > >Heather Bloor > >ESL Instructor Specialist > >YWCA of Greater Milwaukee > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jean Fahey [mailto:ffahey@adelphia.net] > >Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:31 PM > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: [NIFL-ESL:8137] Re: Phoneme-Schoneme > > > > > >Also, Thigh/Thy and Thistledew and This'll do are also semantic > >differences. I think identifying phonemes is important to distinguish > >sounds but reading doesn't obviously stop there. I do,however,still > >defend my position that all parts work together....... > >Thanks for listening, > >An Esol Teacher trying "everything that works." > >Jean Fahey > > > >DonMcCabe@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > Charles, > > > > > > You could have made the test a bit easier. How many phonemes in bat, > >bats, > > > prints, and prince? I say 3, 3, 5, and 5, but I know professional > >linguists > > > are not close to 100% agreement with me or with themselves. While we're > > > there, This'll do / thistle dew and thy thigh demonstrate a phonemic > > > difference between the voiced and unvoiced /th/. :-) > > > > > > Don McCabe, Research Director > > > AVKO Dyslexia Research Foundation > > > 3084 W. Willard Road, Suite W > > > Clio, MI 48420 > > > Phone: (810) 686-9283 FAX: (810) 686-1101 > > > Visit our website at www.avko.org > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com
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