Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id i248MPI29788; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 03:22:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 03:22:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <20040304081649.17913.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: Ujwala Samant <lalumineuse@yahoo.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9982] RE: adult ed ESL requirements X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: O Content-Length: 6550 Lines: 227 CBO= Community based organisation. In NJ, at least last year when I lived there, all one needed was a teaching certification. In any subject. When we observed classes across NJ, not all teachers entered their profession (teaching adult ESOL) with any background in ESOL or teaching adults. I am glad to hear that things have changed. We will perhaps not see any more Kindergarten teachers speaking loudly, showing flashcards to 60 year olds. regards, Ujwala Samant --- Susan Ryan <susanefl@hotmail.com> wrote: > What are CBO's? > Susan > > > >From: bodman@ucc.edu > >Reply-To: nifl-esl@nifl.gov > >To: Multiple recipients of list > <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> > >Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9979] RE: adult ed ESL > requirements > >Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:16:29 -0500 (EST) > > > >What are acceptable minimal qualifications for an > ABE/ESL teacher in a > >standard school district or community college-both > of which are usually > >part > >of a larger bureaucratic system? > > > >We (in NY and NJ) have waged a battle since the > late l970s to make > >certification a requirement for language teaching > (ESL included) and > >bilingual education. We now have both. The > essence of both programs is > >that there is a minimum amount of professional > knowledge, a minimum amount > >of subject matter knowledge, and a minimum > proficiency in the target > >language or languages that is required. After all, > the reasoning goes, one > >cannot be a math teacher simply because one is > sympathetic and kind as well > >as familiar with numbers in their everyday life. > In a similar manner, a > >native-speaking knowledge of English does not mean > that one knows how to > >organize and explain it or teach it. After these > minimums have been met, > >then employers can begin to assess all the other > myriad factors that are > >required in teaching, such as: classroom > management, use of appropriate > >methodologies, techniques, etc. > > > >At the college level, an M.A. in TESOL and (at > least one year) > >college-level > >teaching experience (as an adjunct)is now almost > always required. > >Full-time > >jobs are so scarce in this area that most openings > are filled by people > >with > >doctorates and many years of experience, > publications, etc. Bilingual > >college positions usually require native or > near-native proficiency in two > >or more languages and an M.A. in the subject to be > taught. Recently, in an > >effort to "balance" faculties, almost no jobs are > being filled unless the > >candidate has all the above and is either a native > speaker of Haitian > >Creole, South or Latin American Spanish, or > African-American. Anglo males > >have a particularly difficult, if not impossible, > time finding work in > >community colleges. > > > >And what about staff in CBO's ? What should be the > minimum qualifications > >for these teachers? > > > >In NY and NJ, most CBOs, if they are LEAs, must > hire first from within the > >school system. Any presently-employed teacher has > preference over a more > >highly qualified "outsider." In other CBOs, the > qualification is usually > >that they be a native speaker of English or that > they have a college degree > >from another country. No further training is > required. Students vote with > >their feet and the director uses this as a basis > for rehiring. > > > >Should qualifications for all teachers be the same > regardless of setting, > >or > >should/must the differences in mission and > organization be taken into > >account? > > > >It would be a wonderful goal to set. Yes. > However, given the politics and > >the reality of sometimes having to hire whomever > you can get, no. > > > >Jean Bodman > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Pecoraro, Diane > [mailto:Diane.Pecoraro@state.mn.us] > >Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 12:42 PM > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9978] RE: adult ed ESL > requirements > > > > > >As the percentage of ESL learners in ABE programs > grows, and with the > >addition of community-based organizations(CBO's) as > service providers, the > >issue of qualifications is valid and raises > questions. I will pose a few > >for > >discussion. > > > >What are acceptable minimal qualifications for an > ABE/ESL teacher in a > >standard school district or community college-both > of which are usually > >part > >of a larger bureaucratic system? > > > >And what about staff in CBO's ? What should be the > minimum qualifications > >for these teachers? > > > >Should qualifications for all teachers be the same > regardless of setting, > >or > >should/must the differences in mission and > organization be taken into > >account? > > > >This should stoke a few comments. I hope so! > > > >Diane Pecoraro > >MN Department of Education > >1500 Highway 36 West > >Roseville, MN 55113 > >651 582-8424 > >diane.pecoraro@state.mn.us > >Fax. 651 634-5154 > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Betsy Kubota [mailto:bkubota@comcast.net] > >Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:59 AM > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9974] RE: adult ed ESL > requirements > > > >If you go to Common Qualifications for ESOL > Teachers at > >http://www.tesol.org/careers/counsel/qualifications.html > >you will find the information the "other" Ms. > Kubota was refering to. > >There are some states that have mandated standards > for Adult ESL teachers > >but most still do not have any set requirements so > it is up to the > >individual program. > > > >Betsy Kubota > >Harper College > >Palatine, IL > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: nifl-esl@nifl.gov > [mailto:nifl-esl@nifl.gov]On Behalf Of Frances > >Keenan > >Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:42 AM > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9972] adult ed ESL requirements > > > > > >Unless I missed it, I do not see anything on the > TESOL site about > >requirements for adult education ESL teaching. I > don't believe such a > >list is maintained at the national level. > > > >It would be a great resource for the field if it > were developed! > > > >Fran > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: nifl-esl@nifl.gov [mailto:nifl-esl@nifl.gov] > On Behalf Of carol E. > >Kubota > >Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 8:13 PM > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: [NIFL-ESL:9969] Re: question on intensity > of instruction and > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com
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