Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id i2HCj8I06451; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:45:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:45:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <20040317124147.33611.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: Ujwala Samant <lalumineuse@yahoo.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10076] Re: [adult ed ESL requirements X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: O Content-Length: 3376 Lines: 106 Sylvan and Tanya, This is a widespread problem across the country by the looks of things. At one NJALL (New Jersey Association for Lifelong Learning) conference, we prganised a panel to address just this issue. How fulltime (with few or no benefits/perp time, etc.) teachers could make ends meet and what benefits they could apply for. There were also discussions on how administrators could look for benefits for teachers who worked fulltime at their centres, without a job in the local pulic schools or anything else. Unfortunately I don't remember the details very clearly, but I am sure someone from the NJALL might be able to help you. regards, Ujwala --- ttweeton@comcast.net wrote: > It does seem that the vast majority of ESL teachers > in this country are > > working part time with no benefits and very poor > wages. > > Sylvan you are right. Many of us still have to work > this way.We are the poor-step-children of the > dictrict because we have chosen to work with > adults.We are paid hourly. It is the same hourly > wage as regular ed teachers get but we don't have > contracts so no benefits........That is why many > have full time day jobs in k-12 as well. > Tanya Tweeton > ESOL and GED > Fort Lauderdale,Florida > > You raise some really excellent points. It may be > that we are in the midst > > of trying to figure out what would be a reasonable > certification process for > > an adult ESL teacher. A related issue is what kind > of jobs (i.e., pay, > > benefits, part- or full-time) that sort of > certification would get you. And > > that's a much larger question that includes issues > around how education (in > > general, both for adults and children) is valued, > how education for adults > > other than in "higher" education is valued, and > basically how we allocate > > our tax dollars. > > > > As it happens, I'm working full time with > benefits, but I'm not teaching ESL > > full time. I'm also doing other things (like, at > this point, managing a > > program!). It seems that we have to get creative > to find jobs that actually > > take the ESL services to our clientele in ways > that get paid for somehow. > > There are workforce programs and others, but they > aren't all that easy to > > find. > > > > It does seem that the vast majority of ESL > teachers in this country are > > working part time with no benefits and very poor > wages. I was resigned to > > doing that as well -- cobbling together a couple > of jobs or combining with > > part-time clerical or something -- when I came > across this job. I feel very > > fortunate. > > > > ------- > > Sylvan Rainwater mailto:sylvan@cccchs.org > > Program Manager Family Literacy > > Clackamas Co. Children's Commission / Head Start > > Oregon City, OR USA > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nifl-esl@nifl.gov [mailto:nifl-esl@nifl.gov] > On Behalf Of olivia > > durham > > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 8:09 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10063] Re: [adult ed ESL > requirements > > > > I think some of the vitriol surrounding the > "certification" issue comes from > > the narrow perameters of the Public School > Certification process in the > > United States. > > > > <SNIP> > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com
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