Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id iAJ96S107149; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:06:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:06:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1100854968.419db6b8cf271@webmailapp3.cc.utexas.edu> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: mdryden@mail.utexas.edu To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10583] Re: Question re. LEP terminology X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Status: O Content-Length: 4260 Lines: 154 Ujwala, Sorry I did not address your excellent question. I don't know if anyone has done this; maybe we will get an answer from a listserv member. Such a study would yield rich material, I am certain. Marianne Quoting Ujwala Samant <lalumineuse@yahoo.com>: > Marianne, > > My preference is for the term learner. I agree with > your point about the 'deficiency' connotation. But I > have seen this discussion on this listserv a few times > over the past years. My question is, how do learners > see the classes they attend? And how do they feel > about these various terms? I wonder if anyone has done > a survey of how learners of English perceive > themselves and what they do in language classes. > > regards, > Ujwala > --- mdryden@mail.utexas.edu wrote: > > > Margarita, > > > > "LEP has been widely used in K12; since I am not in > > that area, perhaps someone > > can confirm if it is still commonly used there. For > > me, it has never had a > > respectful connotation. It is seemingly used as an > > adjective, a negative one > > that includes "deficient." > > > > Irregardless of context, the word "learner," for me, > > is one of the most positive > > terms we can use for a student. A "learner" is > > active, engaged, and > > progressing--not static, like "deficient." I always > > use learner for an adult > > learner, never LEP. In fact, learner is used in the > > most significant > > literature, in the US, to refer to adult ESL > > learners. I would cringe if anyone > > called my adult students "LEP." > > > > Maybe my views stem largely from my experience; > > however, I don't think that > > anyone can deny the respect inherent in calling > > someone a "learner," especially > > as opposed to "deficient." > > > > Marianne Dryden > > > > > > Quoting Ujwala Samant <lalumineuse@yahoo.com>: > > > > > The title seems to be context-dependent from both > > your > > > comments. It also seems to be an administrative > > > concern. > > > I wonder how learners of English see the classes > > they > > > take? > > > regards, > > > Ujwala Samant > > > > > > > > > --- Marcia Willliams <mwilliams@atcaa.org> wrote: > > > > > > > I think using ELL is more respectful and is in > > > > keeping with our strengths > > > > based family literacy model. > > > > Marcia Williams > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Hurtado, Margarita" <MHurtado@air.org> > > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > > > <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:11 PM > > > > Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10569] Question re. LEP > > > > terminology > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > I am new to this area and a colleague just > > > > mentioned to me that there is > > > > > term in education that is used for students > > > > instead of LEP that is ELL > > > > > (English Language Learner). > > > > > I have used LEP (Limited English Proficient) > > as a > > > > term to refer to adult > > > > > patients and consumers who are not fluent in > > > > English and speak it as a > > > > > second language. > > > > > > > > > > Which one of these is the most appropriate > > when > > > > referring to adults who > > > > > are not fluent in English and speak it as a > > second > > > > language in the > > > > > context of health care? That is, we want to > > refer > > > > to those populations > > > > > who may need an interpreter, a translated > > survey, > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > > Margarita > > > > > -------------------------------- > > > > > Margarita P. Hurtado, Ph.D., M.H.S. > > > > > Principal Research Scientist > > > > > American Institutes for Research (AIR) > > > > > 10720 Columbia Pike- Suite 500 > > > > > Silver Spring, MD 20901 > > > > > Voice: (301) 592-2215 > > > > > Fax: (301) 593-9433 > > > > > mhurtado@air.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! > http://my.yahoo.com > > >
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