Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id iAJG0E112854; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:00:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:00:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <DD41842B0F93E648A422D9AA62B94C8B9675E1@stccmail> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: "Melvin Dr. Clark" <drclark@stcc.cc.tx.us> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10585] Re: Question re. LEP terminology X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Type: text/plain; X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Status: O Content-Length: 3369 Lines: 112 La Joya ISD in Texas are using "PALS" Proficient in Another Language Students." Dr. Clark von Heller, ed consultant for Texas and Mexico, uses "EP" for "English Proficient" to oppose the derogatory "LEP" label. Questions? Let me know. -----Original Message----- From: nifl-esl@nifl.gov [mailto:nifl-esl@nifl.gov]On Behalf Of mdryden@mail.utexas.edu Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 7:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10579] Re: Question re. LEP terminology Margarita, "LEP has been widely used in K12; since I am not in that area, perhaps someone can confirm if it is still commonly used there. For me, it has never had a respectful connotation. It is seemingly used as an adjective, a negative one that includes "deficient." Irregardless of context, the word "learner," for me, is one of the most positive terms we can use for a student. A "learner" is active, engaged, and progressing--not static, like "deficient." I always use learner for an adult learner, never LEP. In fact, learner is used in the most significant literature, in the US, to refer to adult ESL learners. I would cringe if anyone called my adult students "LEP." Maybe my views stem largely from my experience; however, I don't think that anyone can deny the respect inherent in calling someone a "learner," especially as opposed to "deficient." Marianne Dryden Quoting Ujwala Samant <lalumineuse@yahoo.com>: > The title seems to be context-dependent from both your > comments. It also seems to be an administrative > concern. > I wonder how learners of English see the classes they > take? > regards, > Ujwala Samant > > > --- Marcia Willliams <mwilliams@atcaa.org> wrote: > > > I think using ELL is more respectful and is in > > keeping with our strengths > > based family literacy model. > > Marcia Williams > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Hurtado, Margarita" <MHurtado@air.org> > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:11 PM > > Subject: [NIFL-ESL:10569] Question re. LEP > > terminology > > > > > > > Hello, > > > I am new to this area and a colleague just > > mentioned to me that there is > > > term in education that is used for students > > instead of LEP that is ELL > > > (English Language Learner). > > > I have used LEP (Limited English Proficient) as a > > term to refer to adult > > > patients and consumers who are not fluent in > > English and speak it as a > > > second language. > > > > > > Which one of these is the most appropriate when > > referring to adults who > > > are not fluent in English and speak it as a second > > language in the > > > context of health care? That is, we want to refer > > to those populations > > > who may need an interpreter, a translated survey, > > etc. > > > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > Margarita > > > -------------------------------- > > > Margarita P. Hurtado, Ph.D., M.H.S. > > > Principal Research Scientist > > > American Institutes for Research (AIR) > > > 10720 Columbia Pike- Suite 500 > > > Silver Spring, MD 20901 > > > Voice: (301) 592-2215 > > > Fax: (301) 593-9433 > > > mhurtado@air.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >
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