[NIFL-LD:3689] Re: No support for Phonetic awareness as

From: Arlyn Roffman (aroffman@mail.lesley.edu)
Date: Wed Oct 31 2001 - 16:12:19 EST


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Where is the listserv monitor? This is getting ugly!
Arlyn Roffman

>Clifton Willard wrote:
>
>> Dear Brian,
>>
>> Are you so threatened that you cannot even directing your comments to me??
>> I am sorry that you are unable to give me the common courtesy that you
>> would expect me and others to give you. It is too bad that you have so
>> little respect for the members of this list. You put them in an awkward
>> position by treating me so rudely. They deserve an apology from you. If you
>> so sure that I am wrong, then why do you have to go to others for support???
>>
>> If you have anything to say to me, have the courage to say it directly
>>to me.
>>
>> Clifton Willard
>>
>> Dear Barbara,
>> To begin with, I have a name, it is Clifton Willard. You must have missed
>> that when you read the exchange that threatened you so much. I find it
>> interesting that you did not reply yourself but felt it necessary to hide
>> behind Brian Anderson. Your contempt for the people on this list is obvious
>> as is your contempt for those that might have a different view from yours
>> is telling in itself.
>>
>> "Since no two dyslexics are alike",
>> If you believe this to be true, how can one method work for so many
>> different people with dyslexia.  People who have dyslexia or a reading
>> disability are people first, not "dyslexics" as you call us. But then again
>> that is consistent with your contempt for others. This does however provide
>> you with every excuse for your hollowed OG+ 's failure to teach people with
>> reading disabilities to read semantically. You can't do it. You can change
>> the definition of reading any way you want but it still does not work. It
>> will help most all elementary school children but not older students who
>> are word for word silent readers. There is no research on adults or even
>> young adults that shows unequivocally that it works. The reason it has not
>> been adopted by every school system is because they know that.
>>
>> What harm you bring to people with reading disabilities by telling them
>> that with the OG+ method they can learn to read. When they fail, I am sure
>> have an explanation for every one. Generally it is the student's fault.
>> When they do not succeed, they feel that they have failed. Because they
>> believe you, they assume it must be them. What do you tell all the parents
>> and students when it becomes apparent that they are not reading like the
>> others??? You suggest that they need more OG. It OQ worked as you believe,
>> then why is it not adopted by every school system and aggressively taught.
>> Why are there any adults with reading disabilities or Dyslexia??? You still
>> can't answer that question.  I suppose you would like to replace the books
>> on tape provided to students with reading disabilities from Recording for
>> the Blind and Dyslexic with tapes from the your OG school. At a fee I am
>> sure. What a shame.
>>
>> Clearly Ms Bliss, you do not have a clue about people with reading
>> disabilities.
>>
>> Clifton Willard
>>
>> At 10:35 AM 10/24/01 -0400, you wrote:
>> >Dear People:
>> >I sent the exchange on Phonetic Awareness to my mentor, Barbara Bliss, who
>> >teaches parents, teachers and tutors how to do Orton-Gillingham
>>instruction.
>> >She had, as do many members of this list, strong opinions.  With her
>> >permission, I am including her words directly below.
>> >
>> >From: "Barbara Bliss"
>> >To: "Brian Anderson"
>> >Subject: web conversation.
>> >Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:29:31 -0500
>> >Words cannot express how I feel about the Web conversation you sent me! It
>> >is very obvious that the man has little real understanding of dyslexia
>> >except his own.
>> >
>> >He claims he spent a week in an Orton-Gillingham course and then arrives at
>> >the conclusion that it "has no lasting effect, is not teaching reading,
>>that
>> >it substitutes tactile and auditory strategies for reading words!"
>> >What a lot of harm this person is doing! OG is time-tested in schools for
>> >dyslexics throughout the U.S. It has been replicated and expanded by
>> >Project Read, by Lindamood-Bell (to focus more specifically on the "how" of
>> >making speech sounds when specific students need this help.) The Wilson
>> >Language System, the Slingerlands and Alphabetic Phonics Methods are all
>> >successful classroom adaptations of OG. Since no two dyslexics are alike,
>> >OG and its spinoffs make use of the multisensory factor to make up for
>> >student deficits. Right now in many schools the Direct Instruction (DI)
>> >method is being used successfully. This is a good phonetic method which
>> >will enable many students to do better work. The dyslexics who are
>> >seriously handicapped will also need OG or its spinoffs. Not because
>> >phonics is not needed, but because they needed more specific Multisensory
>> >instruction than DI provides.
>> >Reading word for word is just part of the early process of reading which
>> >smoothes out as the volume of reading increases to where reading becomes
>> >automatic. Comprehension improves usually at the same time. If it doesn't,
>> >the Lindamood-Bell system has additional help.
>> >Wish I had more time to write and to "talk back" to this man.
>> >Unfortunately, many academicians who read without effort simply cannot
>> >understand dyslexia and seldom have an opportunity to work one to one for
>> >any length of time with really handicapped readers.
>> >Thanks for sending me this. I'll take it along with me to the IDA
>> >convention Wednesday.
>> >Barb
>> >
>> >Brian Anderson, Education Director
>> >Madison Area Literacy Council
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >Dear Don,
>> >
>> >Good Readers do not read aloud to themselves sounding out each word they
>> >see (reading word for word).  They are aware of the words as symbols for
>> >meaning and can therefore read rapidly. It is not possible to read 300
>> >words per minute while sounding out each word as you see it. How fast can
>> >you read aloud??? I doubt it is as fast as you can read to yourself
>> >assuming you do not have a reading disability. Because a reading disabled
>> >person perceives the same word differently each time they read it, they
>> >cannot develop the engram to skip the sounding out process and go directly
>> >to the meaning of the word they see.



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