Return-Path: <nifl-ld@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g0FJdP020859; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:39:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:39:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020115142159.00a219d0@mail> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-ld@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-ld@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-ld@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: clifwillard <clifwillard@home.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-ld@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-LD:3835] RE: NIFL-LD:3810 NO Support for phonetic X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Status: O Content-Length: 2464 Lines: 50 Andrea, I disagree. It is about the assumption that the cause of a reading disability is a lack of phonetic awareness. IT is about the idea that difficult in reading is a symptom of an underlying problem. There are several reasons why a person would exhibit the symptoms associated with a reading disability. A lack of phonetic awareness is only one. What about the others?? TBI is not a lack of phonetic awareness, it is an insult to brain tissue often requiring re-learning. OG+ is an effective method to treat that problem. That is not the case however for all situations where there is an apparent reading disability. Emotional problems, abuse, low functioning, perception deficit, FAS, and sundry other difficulties can cause the same "observed" difficulties. Phonetic awareness is only one and I do not believe a major one. It is therefore essential to know the cause, circumstances, and where the symptoms come from in order to responsible treat the disability. Many educators do diagnosis. The problem is that they often use a discrepancy formula to diagnosis. A discrepancy formula does not diagnose anything. It is relative and at best only exposes symptoms. It often does not even do that. But it is in no way diagnostic. Many problems are caused by this error in diagnosis that would otherwise be avoided. Many are the very problems Art has presented. There are others however. It is not about experience, it is about how understanding can lead to a positive experience for the students. That is the point. \I tell my clients that, "I know things you do not know and you know things I do not know. We will trade and both benefit from the experience of each other." It is empowering and profoundly effective. It must be a two way street. Clif At 10:39 AM 1/15/02 -0500, you wrote: >Clif: > >i am following this discussion with interest. > >It strikes me that you and Art are working with different populations and you >are making conclusions from your own experiences, and he is doing the same. > >As to "qualifications" every teacher "diagnoses" even in the most informal >way, you have to to plan a program for your students. > >There is a difference between projection and identification. A skilled >person can "identify" aspects of reality, be they different types of rocks, >as in geology, or different learning problems, as in adult education. Often >one's own background is useful as a source of knowledge. > >Andrea
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