Return-Path: <nifl-ld@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g0G0tn006283; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:55:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:55:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020115191246.00a4dec0@mail> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-ld@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-ld@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-ld@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: clifwillard <clifwillard@home.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-ld@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-LD:3838] RE: NIFL-LD:3810 NO Support for phonetic X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Status: O Content-Length: 2665 Lines: 52 Andrea, I have been trying to make the point in this entire discussion that it is not "either/or", it is "and." There are those who might lack phonetic awareness and not be able to read well as a result. The may benefit greatly from OG+. There are others who exhibit similar observable symptoms for reasons that have nothing to do with a lack of phonetic aware or lack of learning anything. Holding onto the idea that phonetic awareness is the only reason or the reason for the majority of people with reading disabilities seems rather short sighted and reckless. I am not referring to you Andrea. You know I joined this list to share my experience in the field and the results of many years of study with you in an effort to enable everyone to benefit from the insight that has provided me. I have been treated terribly by many members of this list. I have gotten angry because many felt it necessary to attack me because I disagreed with the paradigm so religiously adhered to on this list. A few have quietly been supportive but most responses have been aggressive and abusive. No one has answered the questions I have posted several times. That in itself is quite revealing. I have decided that I will no longer participate in this list. I do not need to subject myself to this constant attack and abuse. I only wanted to offer you a an insight that could be of great help to a large number of people you serve with these disabilities. It is clear that any meaningful insight will not be tolerated on this list. It truly is a shame. I am sorry if I offended anyone, that was never my intention. I sincerely appreciate those few who privately have been supportive but this is my last post. I wish you all well. Clif At 03:37 PM 1/15/02 -0500, you wrote: >Clif, > >I don't know what you are disagreeing with me about. > >If it is about experience, everyone draws from their own experience, no one >is a tabula rasa in front of a new student. Experience covers just that, >what a person has lived through, learned, seen, all of it. Unexamined >experience can cause projection. Identification is different, as I >described. Art draws from his experience with TBI--as well as other >experiences. You draw from your experience with a disability in reading and >writing, as well as the other experiences you have described. You also make >use of your wife's experience. > >I did not challenge you about phonetic awareness, TBI, abuse, low >functioning, or perception deficits. > >In this kind of conversation words are extremely slippery and can easily be >used as cannon fodder when the writer meant nothing of the sort. > >Andrea
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