[NIFL-LD:4915] Re: LD and intensive phonics

From: Anita Landoll (amlandoll@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun Oct 02 2005 - 16:22:10 EDT


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Hi,

The book, OVERCOMING DYSLEXIA, by Sally Shaywitz, MD,
goes into much detail about MRI studies and reading.
Also, a professor at Wake Forest U is doing research
on the audio-visual problems... I think she has found
that there is a time disconnect there, for dyslexic
readers.

Anita   www.learntoreadnow.com

--- John Nissen <jn@cloudworld.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> Hello Lucille,
> 
> I have looked at the IDA site you recommend, and
> their FAQ does seem to 
> embody conventional wisdom about dyslexia.
> 
> But there are some issues that are a bit clouded
> over.  I suspect that it is 
> important for IDA to concur with the idea of the
> dyslexic person as a 
> basically intelligent person who is liable to
> underachieve unless given 
> special help.  I absolutely sympathise with this
> idea, because both my 
> eldest (Oliver) and youngest (Clara) of three
> children have been diagnosed 
> as dyslexic and received help in their education,
> with extra time in exams.
> 
> However there is no evidence that so-called
> dyslexics are any different from 
> other poor readers and spellers, as regards the
> difficulties they have in 
> reading in writing, or in the effectiveness of
> remediation.  This point was 
> strongly made in a programme on Channel 4,
> provocatively called "The 
> Dyslexia Myth", see 
>
http://www.channel4.com/news/microsites/D/dyslexia_myth/.
>   So I come back 
> to one of my three questions that started this
> thread: "Is poor reading 
> simply a result of poor teaching?"
> 
> Last night I discussed this with my wife.  She
> remembers Oliver's primary 
> school teacher saying how difficult Oliver was to
> teach, because he didn't 
> seem to be taking in the instruction in class, and
> not participating 
> actively.  This is a characteristic of Oliver - he
> finds it difficult to 
> take in instructions.  He also lacks a sense of the
> passage of time, and a 
> certain organisational ability.  It is a combination
> of these which makes it 
> difficult for teachers to give adequate tuition, and
> which makes exams so 
> difficult for him.
> 
> This set me thinking.  Perhaps Oliver's difficulty
> with reading and writing, 
> for which he was branded "dyslexic", was a result of
> him not taking in the 
> instruction, rather than poor teaching as such. 
> Perhaps, if he had been 
> given intensive one-to-one tuition, where the
> teacher made sure that he was 
> taking in every step, he would be as good a reader
> and speller as the 
> average child of his age and intelligence.  And
> perhaps his neural pathways 
> would have developed as for the average child.
> 
> An alternative explanation, provided by the
> programme I mention above, is 
> that reading problems most often arise from a audio
> processing disability or 
> difficulty. See "View 2" in 
>
http://www.channel4.com/news/microsites/D/dyslexia_myth/dyslexia.html.
>  The 
> past view was that dyslexia arose from a visual
> processing difficulty (hence 
> the advocacy of tinted spectacles, etc.).  This new
> explanation would 
> suggest that to teach reading, one would need to
> concentrate on phonological 
> awareness, as this is otherwise a block on
> successfully learning to read for 
> up to 20% of children.  I do not know whether this
> explanation could apply 
> to Oliver.
> 
> It seems to me vital that we find the correct
> explanation of dyslexia.  The 
> brain research clearly shows that there are marked
> differences in how people 
> read - because different parts of the brain are in
> play.  We need to 
> establish whether the observed differences are cause
> or effect: the cause of 
> differences in reading ability, or the effect of the
> way the people were 
> taught.  My hypothesis is that they are effect.  It
> could be tested by fMRI 
> on the Clackmannanshire kids.  If they have all
> developed the pathways used 
> by good readers, then we have:
> 
> 1. evidence that dyslexia arises from inadequate
> teaching;
> 2. a new tool for diagnosis of reading problems;
> 3. a new tool to establish the effectiveness of
> teaching methods;
> 4. proof beyond reasonable doubt of the
> effectiveness of synthetic phonics 
> in the teaching of reading.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> John
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lucille Cuttler" <l.cuttler@comcast.net>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list"
> <nifl-ld@literacy.nifl.gov>
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 2:15 AM
> Subject: [NIFL-LD:4908] Re: LD and intensive phonics
> 
> 
> > The International Dyslexia Association is a
> reliable source for many
> > questions recently expressed - www.interdys.org  
> Membership brings
> > professional journals, newsletters, and a chance
> to meet with other
> > professionals in your area. Techniques appropriate
> for severe dyslexics 
> > can
> > certainly help anyone struggling with decoding and
> spelling.
> >
> > As a tutor with 20 years I have used structured,
> kinesthetic, explicit
> > direct instruction. I know it does the job. A
> tutor/teacher to be 
> > effective
> > needs a well equipped tool box. Creative ways of
> teaching, reaching both
> > sides of the brain, work.
> >
> > Also, always keep in mind that the rate of
> learning varies.  Students go 
> > as
> > fast as they can but as slow as they must. 
> Lucille Cuttler
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nifl-ld@nifl.gov [mailto:nifl-ld@nifl.gov]On
> Behalf Of John Nissen
> > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:04 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list
> > Subject: [NIFL-LD:4906] Re: LD and intensive
> phonics
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello Aaron,
> >
> > Thank you for the references.  I had a good read
> of the article on
> > Neurobiology, and it is very informative and well
> written.
> >
> > However I have some problems with it.  From what I
> have seen, none of the
> > research on dyslexia has taken into account a key
> environmental factor - 
> > how
> > the subjects had been taught to read.   Moreover
> none of the researchers, 
> > to
> > my knowledge, have looked at children who have
> been given intensive 
> > phonics
> > training at the start of primary school, by either
> explicit phonics or
> > synthetic phonics.  Perhaps the patterns of brain
> activation would be
> > different, if the subjects had been taught in a
> different way.  In the
> > Clackmannanshire study, all the children were
> taught to read successfully
> > using synthetic phonics, and there was little or
> no "dyslexia" apparent.
> > And I have heard of reseach suggesting that the
> left brain can indeed by
> > "activated" to help people overcome reading
> problems.
> >
> > Therefore, I am suspicious when the article says
> that "dyslexia is a
> > persistent and chronic condition".  It seems there
> might be effective
> > remediation that could activate the parts of the
> brain that are used by
> > normal readers.  A key giveaway in the article is
> as follows:
> >
> 
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