Hi David,

Yes, your are correct in your interpretation.  The only intent for NRS
purposes is to avoid double counting, while at the same time giving
states as much latitude as possible to provide both distance and other
instruction.  States need only explain (in their distance education
policy) how they make the determination for counting purposes.

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Assessment colleagues,

Here's a follow-up to the discussion on distance learning assessment.  I
have a question about the changes to the NRS  
guidelines for distance education learners. ( http://www.nrsweb.org.   
Look under What's New.)

Item 3: "For NRS reporting, states can count a student only once, as
either a distance education student or traditional classroom learner."

Presumably that means the student can be counted only once annually, and
that the program needs to decide if the student is _primarily_ a
distance learning student or _primarily_ a face-to-face (classroom or
tutorial) student. Presumably this gives programs and students the
freedom to offer distance learning options and face-to-face options to
the same student within the year, that a face-to-face student could also
have supplemental online learning.  Presumably, the intent of this is to
avoid double-counting the same person, not to restrict how students
access learning (whether distance learning or face-to- face or both).

Donna Cornellier, or Larry Condelli, are my presumptions correct?

Thanks,

David J. Rosen
djrosen at comcast.net


On Jul 11, 2007, at 4:08 PM, Cornellier, Donna wrote:


> Hi Marie,

>

> I've attached the new NRS Guidelines for Distance Learning that were 

> sent out to State Directors on June 6, 2007 with a memo from Cheryl 

> Keenan.  The distance education policy includes a definition of 

> distance learners, guidance on how to measure contact hours for the 

> learners, and describes assessment and reporting requirements which 

> are summarized in the memo.  It will be an interesting discussion 

> around how states implement these policies, and you have posed some 

> great questions below.

>

> Thanks,

> Donna Cornellier

> Massachusetts NRS Trainer

>

>

> From: Marie Cora [mailto:marie.cora at hotspurpartners.com]

> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:34 AM

> To: Assessment at nifl.gov

> Subject: [Assessment 834] Questions for discussion

>

> Hi everyone,

>

>

>

> It's very quiet out there!  I've had many new subscribers join our  

> List, so I know this is of interest to you all.   I know you have  

> questions and I know you have experiences to share.  Please post them 

> now!

>

>

>

> Here is one of my questions for this discussion, which actually has 

> already been asked within the suggested preparations by our guests 

> Shannon and Jennifer:

>

>

>

> Post-testing:  How is this done?  How do you get that important  

> follow-up measure from students?  I have experience in DL within  

> professional development only (not with ABE/ESOL students) - and I  

> know how difficult follow-up is with the professional population.   

> The same goes for regular classroom-based programs - getting full  

> test scores can be really hard.  So I am extremely interested in  

> hearing from folks about the strategies and methods they use to get  

> DL students to complete the full cycle including the post-test.

>

>

>

> Do federal requirements allow for any flexibility/creativity in  

> this regard?  Can you use formative assessment and other types of  

> measures to help demonstrate achievement?

>

>

>

> Do Project IDEAL states do their assessment in the same way, or are  

> you able to alter your approach depending on certain things (levels  

> of funding; timing; some F2F ("face-to-face")/no F2F; staffing; etc)?

>

>

>

> Thanks!!

>

>

> Marie Cora

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Marie Cora

>

> marie.cora at hotspurpartners.com

>

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