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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Bureaucratic
considerations aside, if a state is concerned with the welfare of both students
and its economy why would it NOT want to place equal value on all 4 ESL skills?
“Levels” are inherently arbitrary. It distresses me that
standardized tests (and the NRS) may be debasing both curricula and learning. For
operational and accountability purposes, why not test each of the 4 skills and
report rates of progress in them separately? If you must have promotion by
levels, why not set the promotional scores for each level at a point students
in your mainstream programs can be expected to achieve after a certain number
of instructional hours? This would require some restructuring at the curricular
and program levels, but that is overdue in any event. Thus, if students are
strong on reading and weak on listening, programs would devote more time to listening
than reading. Alternatively, some programs have developed supplementary short
courses at each level for students who are behind in each skill. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Forrest Chisman<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>CAAL <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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assessment-bounces@nifl.gov [mailto:assessment-bounces@nifl.gov] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Anderson, Philip<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 03, 2008 8:45 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Assessment Discussion List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Assessment 1451] Re: TABE CLAS-E<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Karen, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:navy'>I really appreciate your helpful thoughts. Your voice is one
that I will share with our ad hoc committee, so they can hear from someone with
similar issues. I heartily agree with you about trying to meet student
goals instead of state mandates. Thank you for pointing out the need for
flexibility in testing and not to test students too much. That is exactly what
we are grappling with now, and the purpose of convening an ad hoc committee of
practitioners is to sort this out and make a recommendation to the state.
We are considering the recommendations from the publisher of TABE CLAS-E and we
are trying to determine whether their recommendations will fit our programs,
and if so, how they can fit best.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:navy'>We currently have in place a state assessment policy that requires
programs that offer <u>federally funded</u> ESL courses to assess students in
both reading and listening with the CASAS. There are exceptions to this
with students in the lowest level of the NRS levels. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:navy'>The state assessment policy also allows programs that offer the
federally funded ESL course to use BEST Plus and/or BEST Literacy. We do
not require that programs assess students with both BEST Plus (listening and
speaking) and BEST Literacy (reading and writing). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:navy'>I hesitate to speak on behalf of the publishers of CASAS, TABE
CLAS-E or BEST to say what their viewpoints are on this question of how many skill
areas the state should require programs to test students in, but they are well
aware of our policy and we have had many conversations about it that have been
very helpful. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:navy'>The primary reason we think it is important to test students who
are enrolled in the main ESL course we offer (federally funded) in both reading
and listening is that we have found that the majority of the ESOL population we
serve has more difficulty with their listening skill than their reading
skill. The reading test scores among our students across the state are
consistently higher than the listening scores. There are exceptions,
yes. But overall, the trend points to a strong need for the ESOL
population in Florida to be able to understand spoken English. If we were
to put in place a policy that advanced and reported students based solely on a
reading score, we would be seeing students exit the 6 ESL levels faster.
In addition, we would be seeing students who are still weak in the listening
skill, but we would be unable to serve them with our federal funds because they
had exited out of the 6 ESL levels. We believe that by having a policy
that requires programs to report student scores and to move them from one NRS
level to the next based on the lower of the two scores, we are ensuring that
students are able to get the most comprehensive education possible. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Maybe I should have expanded by saying that Florida has several
other types of courses for ESL that do not need to use tests that are approved
for reporting to the NRS. Testing for these courses is handled
differently. These are courses that are funded with state dollars only,
and they are: Literacy Skills for Adult ESOL Learners (for non-literate
students), Academic Skills for Adult ESOL Learners (for students that are above
Advanced ESL), Workplace Readiness Skills for Adult ESOL Learners (for employed
students with classes held at a place provided by the employer), and
Citizenship (to prepare for taking the USCIS Naturalization test). The
Adult Education Workplace Readiness course allows the school and the employer
to choose the method of assessment that best fits the employer’s needs. A
contract between the student, school and employer is drawn up, and when the
terms of the contract are met, the state pays an established amount to the
school for the expenditure of its resources. Of course, there are other
types of workplace educational services provided through schools that are
funded entirely by the employer, and these are not funded through adult
education.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Bottom line is that while we provide flexibility in assessment
policy for state-funded courses, for the main course that is federally funded
and which moves students through 6 levels with cut off scores at different
points, we have required that programs that use CASAS must test students in
both reading and listening to report a placement level and to show
progression. There are exceptions to this with students in the lowest
level of the NRS levels. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:navy'>You can find our assessment Technical Assistance Paper and the
additional ESL courses we offer at our <a
href="http://www.fldoe.org/workforce/adult_ed.asp">adult education</a> web
page, <a href="http://www.fldoe.org/workforce/adult_ed.asp">http://www.fldoe.org/workforce/adult_ed.asp</a>.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:navy'>By the way, I know the Crawfordsville, IN, area well – I grew
up in Illinois but my grandmother was from Indiana so I had lots of relatives
there. I think you have lots of covered bridges, right? There is a
Crawfordville in Florida (no s), about 20 minutes from Tallahassee. I got
my first exposure to teaching ESOL in the US in a small rural area of IL
(Kankakee Community College), with migrant farmworkers, in 1988. What an
experience!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:blue'>Phil</span><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Medium Cond","sans-serif";
color:blue'>(850) 245-9450</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Burger, Karen
[mailto:kburger@cville.k12.in.us] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 01, 2008 3:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Assessment Discussion List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Assessment 1449] Re: TABE CLAS-E</span><span style='font-family:
"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
color:black'>Phil,</span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Although
I have not yet looked into the TABE CLAS-E, I find it interesting that your
state is looking at ESOL testing with regard to how to level learners and
which skill areas must be assessed. Our state policy allows for some
flexibility in this for the following reasons. First, if it is a
workplace project, and the employer is requesting instruction in a specific
skill area, then that is the area assessed and used for leveling the
learner. Also, some of our programs are very small, have limit resources,
staff, space and materials. This can make it difficult to assess learners
in all areas. Particularly in listening because of the type of
testing environment that it requires. Further, there are times
that a learner may have the goal to improve skills in a certain
area. Again, the goal would be set and the learner would only need
to be assessed in that area. I hate to see too much restriction that gets
in the way of providing classes that suit our learners needs. Sometimes
it would seem that we test our people to death, don't you
think? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>We
are thankful that our state leaders have chosen to provide us with good
structure and flexibility in the assessment policy. Otherwise, there are
some programs that would find it difficult to comply with and would not be
able to report, or could not afford to serve some of our ESL
poplulation. Good luck!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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assessment-bounces@nifl.gov [assessment-bounces@nifl.gov] On Behalf Of
Anderson, Philip [Philip.Anderson@fldoe.org]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 31, 2008 1:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Assessment Discussion List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Assessment 1448] Re: TABE CLAS-E</span><span style='font-family:
"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>Kimberlee,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>I’m glad to see your
posting, since we at the state adult education office in Florida are asking
similar questions. Florida has an ad hoc committee on assessment that is
working on a set of recommendations to the state office on the adoption of TABE
CLAS-E. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>Local programs may purchase and
use the test if they choose to do so for informational purposes, such as to guide
instruction, and for purposes that are not related to documentation for state
and federal adult education grants. But until the FL Department of
Education State Board approves TABE CLAS-E to be used for reporting any
placement or progression based on test results to the state or the federal
National Reporting System (NRS).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>At our statewide conference in
September, we had a session on how to select tests for adult education programs
that was well attended. I developed an in-house guide and checklist on
test selection, which we provided to the participants. I would be glad to
send it offline to any one that requests it. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>CTB McGraw Hill also provided us
a planning/test selection tool they developed. You may wish to request a copy
of it from Dan Gall, <a href="mailto:Dan_Gall@ctb.com">Dan_Gall@ctb.com</a>, or
Stephanie Seemann, <a href="mailto:Stephanie_Seemann@ctb.com">Stephanie_Seemann@ctb.com</a>.
They have been very responsive to our queries.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>The primary issue we are
grappling with as a committee is whether to recommend that the state assessment
policy mandate that programs must assess adult ESOL students in more than one
skill area, and to report on the lowest score of the skill areas tested. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>You can see our current state
assessment technical assistance paper online at the <a
href="http://www.fldoe.org/workforce/adult_ed.asp" target="_blank">adult
education webpage</a> of the Florida Department of Education, <a
href="http://www.fldoe.org/workforce/adult_ed.asp" target="_blank">http://www.fldoe.org/workforce/adult_ed.asp</a>.
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Bryant, Kimberlee [mailto:kbryant@tcsg.edu]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> assessment@nifl.gov<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Marie Cora<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Assessment 1446] TABE CLAS-E</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Since TABE CLAS-E was recently approved for
use by OVAE, have any states adopted it for use in FY09? Or are planning to in
FY10?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>If so, would you be willing to share the
issues/concerns that came up during this process (crafting the state assessment
policy, training local program staff members, etc.)? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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