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[EnglishLanguage 700] Re: materials for Eng Creole-spkrs/going rate for in-house programmes

Marian Cazabon mcazabon at hotmail.com
Tue Sep 26 13:19:28 EDT 2006

Thanks again, Robin!
I will certainly do some more research. Have already done some looking
throughTESOL and also the UK's CILT (National Centre for Languages) - they
talk about "community languages". Much ofthe recently available material
seems to cover the acceptance - and even teaching - of Creoles rather than
the teaching of the Standard. Thanks for your contributions. I'll let you
know how it goes.
Marian



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>Marian-- actually, I would say there are probably a LOT of

>similarities-- the details you offer, for example are similar in

>"ebonics"-- but the point I was making was that the thinking on how

>and when to teach standard ( American) English has had to be addressed

>for students for whom Ebonics, ,or Black English, is standard and who

>are in schools where standard American English is required. You may

>find information on some of the issues of making students more

>automatic in code switching while being aware of the switch or other

>relevant discussions and research. TESOL ( the professional

>organization for ESOL teachers) has had a number of sessions recently

>on "world Englishes"-- you might find helpful materials or

>presentations on the TESOL.org website. Robin

>

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>Thanks, Robin 

>I am aware of Ebonics only in a theoretical way, having never lived in

>the US. From movies and TV, however, I'd say that Ebonics is not quite

>the same as actual Creoles in the West Indies. There are some

>similarities, however. I agree with you that the important thing is to

>help the learners value their own language first and foremost,

>acknowledging its importance and helping them note differences between

>the Creole and the Standard. I was hoping, however, to find some

>materials that actually pinpoint some of those differences. The books I

>have found, in case anyone else is interested are: 

>"The Knots in English: A Manual for Caribbean Users" by Merle Hodge,

>published by the School of Continuing Studies, University of the West

>Indies (UWI) 

>"Language Proficiency for Tertiary Level" by Paula Morgan, published by

>the Distance Education 

>Centre, UWI 

> 

>A couple of the more salient challenges of Standard English for

>Creole-speakers are the markers 's' (for plurals, possession and 3rd

>pers sing pres tense), and '-ed' (both as past tense and past

>participle). I will certainly be having the workers do "translations"

>and lots of analysis. The difficulty in the Caribbean is the amount of

>code-switching that goes on; it is hard for most speakers to be aware

>of when they are using Creole and when they are using Standard! I'll

>try a search on Ebonics as you suggest, thanks! 

>Marian 

> 

> 

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> >I know from having worked with some of these learners that treating 

> >Standard English as another/second/foreign language is helpful --that 

> >is, if the learners are helped to realize that they do not have to 

> >abandon their own version of English to acquire standard English and

>if 

> >they can then do cross-language comparisons and "translations"-- here 

> >is how we say it in standard English--how do you say that in Jamaican 

> >(or Pidgen or whatever) and vice versa they get a much clearer idea of 

> >what is being "improved"--which is really learned as an alternate

>form. 

> > 

> > 

> >Many of these learners have gone to school in their version of

>English, 

> >so must learn Standard English grammatical patterns and word usage 

> >literally as another language. 

> > 

> >The issue has been addressed in many places in the US where schools 

> >find that students' use of African American "Ebonics" collides with 

> >standards set for writing or speaking standard English. If you google 

> >Ebonics you may find some of the research and discussion on this

>topic. 

> > I am sorry that I do not have any particular literature at my 

> >fingertips. I know that a San Francisco area school district did quite 

> >a lot of work on the topic in the last few years. 

> > 

> >Robin Lovrien Schwarz 

> > 

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> >To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov 

> >Sent: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:45 AM 

> >Subject: [EnglishLanguage 688] Re: materials for Eng

>Creole-spkrs/going 

> >rate for in-house programmes 

> > 

> > I would second the request for books/material/and other ideas to 

> >work with students who speak forms of Engllish that are non-standard 

> > from a North American English point of view.  Other examples are 

> >students from Liberia and other parts of Africa. 

> > Thanks 

> > Yvonne Lerew  

> >   

> >   

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> > From: mcazabon at hotmail.com 

> > To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov 

> > Sent: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:55 PM 

> > Subject: [EnglishLanguage 683] materials for Eng Creole-spkrs/going 

> >rate for in-house programmes 

> > 

> > If anyone can help with the following, I'd appreciate it: 

> >I hope to undertake very soon an in-house programme for clerical and 

> >administrative workers in a large, successful law firm with a view to 

> >helping them improve their written English. I have been following this 

> >week's discussions about curriculum and materials development, 

> >assessment 

> >and accountability with interest. One big difference, however, between 

> >my 

> >prospective learners and most of yours, is that my learners are not 

> >exactly 

> >non-native speakers of English. I live in the Caribbean and they are 

> >all 

> >speakers of a range of English-lexicon Creoles! Does anyone know of

>any 

> >useful materials or texts out there? I know that some US high schools 

> >make a 

> >special effort to help Caribbean immigrants improve their standard 

> >English. 

> >I have already purchased a couple of texts produced by the University 

> >of the 

> >West Indies. 

> >My second question is - what would be an appropriate billing rate? 

> >Thank you for any help you can offer! 

> >Marian Cazabon-Blok 

> > 

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