Thanks Clare for that tip! I had already read the article you linked but the 
personal contact may prove to be really helpful, in terms not of valuing 
people's native/first/mother tongues (which it appears many of us already 
do!) but in terms of helping them see and appreciate the difference between 
their Creoles and the "standard". I will email Liz. Thanks again!
Marian



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>You may be interested in contacting Liz Millman, Director of Curriculum, 

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>Thanks, Robin

>I am aware of Ebonics only in a theoretical way, having never lived in the

>US. From movies and TV, however, I'd say that Ebonics is not quite the same

>as actual Creoles in the West Indies. There are some similarities, however.

>I agree with you that the important thing is to help the learners value

>their own language first and foremost, acknowledging its importance and

>helping them note differences between the Creole and the Standard. I was

>hoping, however, to find some materials that actually pinpoint some of 

>those

>differences. The books I have found, in case anyone else is interested are:

>"The Knots in English: A Manual for Caribbean Users" by Merle Hodge,

>published by the School of Continuing Studies, University of the West 

>Indies

>(UWI)

>"Language Proficiency for Tertiary Level" by Paula Morgan, published by the

>Distance Education

>Centre, UWI

>

>A couple of the more salient challenges of Standard English for

>Creole-speakers are the markers 's' (for plurals, possession and 3rd pers

>sing pres tense), and '-ed' (both as past tense and past participle). I 

>will

>certainly be having the workers do "translations" and lots of analysis. The

>difficulty in the Caribbean is the amount of code-switching that goes on; 

>it

>is hard for most speakers to be aware of when they are using Creole and 

>when

>they are using Standard! I'll try a search on Ebonics as you suggest,

>thanks!

>Marian

>

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> >I know from having worked with some of these learners that treating

> >Standard English as another/second/foreign language is helpful --that

> >is, if the learners are helped to realize that they do not have to

> >abandon their own version of English to acquire standard English and if

> >they can then do cross-language comparisons and "translations"-- here

> >is how we say it in standard English--how do you say that in Jamaican

> >(or Pidgen or whatever) and vice versa they get a much clearer idea of

> >what is being "improved"--which is really learned as an alternate form.

> >

> >

> >Many of these learners have gone to school in their version of English,

> >so must learn Standard English grammatical patterns and word usage

> >literally as another language.

> >

> >The  issue has been addressed in many places in the US where schools

> >find that students' use of African American "Ebonics"  collides with

> >standards set for writing or speaking standard English.   If you google

> >Ebonics you may find some of the research and discussion on this topic.

> >   I am sorry that I do not have any particular literature at my

> >fingertips.  I know that a San Francisco area school district did quite

> >a lot of work on the topic in the last few years.

> >

> >Robin Lovrien Schwarz

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> >     I would second��the request for books/material/and other ideas 

>to

> >work with students who speak��forms of Engllish��that are 

>non-standard

> >  from a North American English point of view.�� Other examples are

> >students from Liberia and��other parts of Africa.

> >  Thanks

> >  Yvonne Lerew��

> >  ��

> >  ��

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> >

> >   If anyone can help with the following, I'd appreciate it:

> >I hope to undertake very soon an in-house programme for clerical and

> >administrative workers in a large, successful law firm with a view to

> >helping them improve their written English. I have been following this

> >week's discussions about curriculum and materials development,

> >assessment

> >and accountability with interest. One big difference, however, between

> >my

> >prospective learners and most of yours, is that my learners are not

> >exactly

> >non-native speakers of English. I live in the Caribbean and they are

> >all

> >speakers of a range of English-lexicon Creoles! Does anyone know of any

> >useful materials or texts out there? I know that some US high schools

> >make a

> >special effort to help Caribbean immigrants improve their standard

> >English.

> >I have already purchased a couple of texts produced by the University

> >of the

> >West Indies.

> >My second question is - what would be an appropriate billing rate?

> >Thank you for any help you can offer!

> >Marian Cazabon-Blok

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