Bonnita,

You West Coast accent has nothing to do with saying a [t] at the end of "jumped".  As you know, the [t] ending is the correct one following the voiceless sound [p] + "ed".
"Precious" could have variations.  How do you pronounce "groceries"?  I say [grosheries]. 

Nicole B. Graves
The Center for New Americans
Amherst, Greenfield, Northampton, MA
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bonnita Solberg 
  To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List 
  Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 1:38 PM
  Subject: [EnglishLanguage 927] Re: Help with pronunciation issues


  Tom and Colleagues:

  I am very interested in a system of pronunciation that makes spelling easy for adults learning English as a second language with the wide range of education backgrounds, or lack of it, in the immigrant population we serve in public schools.  I have investigated a lot of systems with the hope of finding one that students can easily use and have not found one that is effective for both pronouncing a word and spelling it, so I am in the long process of developing a system that includes both.  Naturally I was intrigued by "truespel".  I think it would work for a student with a solid education background, who could decode well and intellectually confront the system.  It is also a good guide for pronunciation for teachers who have little or no background in phonics/linguistics, and in that venue is extremely valuable.  I would recommend it to the teahers I train to teach in the ESL classroom.  It is not a system I would teach to students because it does not pair spelling with pronunciation.  Based on past experience with similar strategies, the conversion process would be confusing and take an enormous amount of classtime to teach the students we serve.

  I did find some problems with the system in my short investigation.  For instance, and this may be my west coast accent, in number 30 ("sh" sound) of the phonemes, the word "precious" is given the truespel conversion of "preshis".  Rather than the "is" sound at the end, I would pronounce it with an "us" sound as in "nut" or "us".  In the tutorial about the fox, the word "jumped", the final "d" is given the sound of "d", whereas I would pronounce it with a "t" sound.  My computer rendition of the introductory paragraph displayed some grammar and punctuation problems that may be due to the format on my computer.  Is this system under still construction?  It is an admirable undertaking and one I would like to see at its completion.  Thanks for making this available to us. 

  Bonnita Solberg, Teacher on Special Assignment
  Oakland Unified School District

  Tom Zurinskas <truespel at hotmail.com> wrote:
    A simple phonetic guide for USA English is at truespel.com. Click the 
    converter button and go to the converter page. The first converter is the 
    URL converter. The entire internet can be converted to truespel, the 
    world's first pronunciation guide spelling/writing system.

    Further down the page is the text converter. Paste passages into it and 
    click convert to see it respelled phonetically in USA English accent.

    The model for the pronunciation is the spoken words of the American Heritage 
    Talking dictionary and m-w.com. This is standard USA accent.

    Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL4+
    See truespel.com and the 4 truespel books at authorhouse.com.





    >From: Paul Rogers 
    >Reply-To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion 
    >List
    >To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion 
    >List
    >Subject: [EnglishLanguage 921] Help with pronunciation issues
    >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:52:37 -0800 (PST)
    >
    >Concerning teaching pronunciation, I have written a series of texts that 
    >include pronunciation lessons for beginning Spanish speakers, with 
    >vocabulary spelled two ways: normally and "phonetically". These lesson have 
    >proven to be very effective and, I believe, assist the student in an 
    >overall way in learning English.
    > For more information, go to my web site: PUMAROSA.COM.
    > Paul Rogers
    >
    >Kathryn Quinn wrote:
    > Martin:
    > I know exactly how you feel. I was facilitating an English program with 
    >a number of SE Asian students. One very diligent student from Viet Nam 
    >came for advisement at the end of the semester. She'd taken a 
    >pronunciation class and kept saying what sounded like "I failed. I 
    >failed." I kept trying to encourage her telling her that she hadn't failed 
    >but she was working hard and making some progress. If she took the course 
    >again, she'd do better. Only to find out that what she was trying to say 
    >was "I passed. I passed."
    > Use mirrors! Have them look at themselves in the mirror as they say the 
    >sounds, in initial position as well as word final. Help them speak slowly. 
    > Have them look at you as you mouth words with stops. Have them listen 
    >for the sounds and identify when they hear them. Have them record 
    >themselves to see if they can hear them when they've said them. And in 
    >pronunciation class, don't pretend you can understand them clearly when you 
    >can't.
    > Best wishes.
    > Kathryn Quinn
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: Martin Senger
    > To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List
    > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:31 PM
    > Subject: [EnglishLanguage 917] Help with pronunciation issues
    >
    >
    > Pax et bonum all! (peace & goodness)
    >
    > I am an adult ESL teacher in Erie, PA. I am looking for information on 
    >teaching pronunciation skills to SE Asian students, who seem to have a 
    >particular problem with stops sounds ([p], [b], etc.). Any suggestions 
    >would be greatly appreciated!
    >
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