I agree as well.  It’s a good strategy and very useful for the students.
I also teach reduced and rapid everyday pronunciation for recognition
and stress that they shouldn’t try to speak this way themselves.  When I
worked with university level students, we taught the same thing.  Even
if the student can master the rapid pronunciation of some of the forms
(wanna and gonna) and sound half decent, it sets up a whole new set of
expectations from the conversation partner that the speaker is more
fluent than they really are.  The native speaker shifts their speech to
a more natural everyday register and the international speaker may
quickly get lost.  
 
Missy
mslaathaug at midco.net
 
 
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[mailto:englishlanguage-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Nicole Graves
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:01 AM
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Subject: [EnglishLanguage 990] Re: a method of teaching pronunciation
 
I agree with you Bonnita.
 
Nicole
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From: Bonnita <mailto:bdsunmt at sbcglobal.net>  Solberg 
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Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:20 PM
Subject: [EnglishLanguage 988] Re: a method of teaching pronunciation
 
The "t" sound in front of "a" (without saying "wanna") in the sentence
"I want a shirt" is not loud and clear in American English, but is loud
and clear in British English.  It becomes, " I wan a shirt" in American
English, with a slight hiatuse at the "n" before "shirt", a stop insted
of pronouncing the "t".  In the sentence, "I washed a shirt", the sound
is still a "t".  To make the "ed" sound as "d" is a feat of the tongue
that I cannot perform without accentuating the "d" sound into a
contortion of American English pronunciation.  Bonnita


Tom Zurinskas <truespel at hotmail.com> wrote:

Problem comes in sentences. If you say "I want a shirt" the "t" is loud
and 
clear in front of the word "a" (Unless it's said "wanna"). But if you
say 
"I washed a shirt", it's "d" not "t" in front of the word "a".

Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL4+
See truespel.com and the 4 truespel books at authorhouse.com.






>From: "Nicole Graves" 

>Reply-To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion 

>List

>To: "The Adult English Language Learners Discussion 

>List"

>Subject: [EnglishLanguage 981] Re: a method of teaching pronunciation

>Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:54:23 -0500

>

>The last sound in "wash" before the ed is added is a [sh] sound which

is

>voiceless. Following a voiceless final sound before the past ending,

the

>[t] is produced. This is not a question of accent, it is an actual rule

>that you can find in pronunciation books.

>

>Nicole

>----- Original Message -----

>From: "Tom Zurinskas" 

>To: ; 

>Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:57 PM

>Subject: [EnglishLanguage 970] Re: a method of teaching pronunciation

>

>

> > This probably is not the place for linguistic haggles, but I do take



>issue

> > with the idea that the ending d is pronounced as t as shown below.

It 

>may

> > be true of some accents, but I still think it is a d. The tongue is

> > behind

> > the top gums (alveolar ridge) for an ending "d" and this is typical

for 

>an

> > ending d. For a t it's behind the teeth.

> >

> > There is some linguistic theory that a "d" is voiced. So if the

sound

> > made

> > at the end of a word (say "washed") is not voiced, it must be a "t".

I

> > don't agree with that either. I believe a "d" is unvoiced followed

> > quickly

> > by voice, but the plosive part (which is the d) is not voiced. Aslo,



>the

> > "d" at the end of a word is said with tongue behind top gums and is

not

> > voiced.

> >

> > Accents will vary, but if you say that plosive sound (at the end of

> > "washed") with tongue behind top gums and without the aspiration

that

> > comes

> > with a t (behind the teeth), then you're saying a d not a t.

> >

> > I'll gladly take this up with linguists in another forum. Where

shall 

>we

> > go.

> >

> > Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL4+

> > See truespel.com and the 4 truespel books at authorhouse.com.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >>From: Paul Rogers 

> >>Reply-To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion

> >>List

> >>To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion

> >>List

> >>Subject: [EnglishLanguage 964] a method of teaching pronunciation

> >>Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:08:46 -0800 (PST)

> >>

> >> My method of teaching ESL focuses on pronunciation from the first

> >>class. I have observed that when a student feels comfortable

pronouncing

> >>English, then she or he is able to advance with confidence. Also, if

a

> >>student cannot pronounce words with relative ease, that student

cannot

> >>understand spoken English very well either.

> >> And my method is step-by-step as in building a house. Each lesson

> >> leads

> >>to or reinforces the next.Pronunciation is the foundation.

> >> For example, Beginning students:

> >> First Lesson

> >>1. The alphabet

> >>2. Demonstration of the pronunciation of g, j, and v using a lot of 

>humor.

> >> 3. Repetition of the alphabet out loud by the class.

> >>4. Spelling out loud. Each student must spell her or his name out

loud 

>in

> >>English, and, depending, the names of family members.

> >> Second Lesson

> >>1. The numbers up to one million.

> >>2. Pronunciation of short u ("numbers"), th (three, thirteen), short

i

> >>(six), silent e at end of word (five, nine), etc.

> >>3. Simple practice. How much is ...1 and 1, 2 and 1, telling time,

etc.

> >>4. All students take turns reading a dialogue out loud.

> >> Other Lessons

> >>Greetings

> >>Pronunciation of h (Hello), use of "you" etc.

> >>Note: I use "reminders" constantly in my classes, especially with g,

j,

> >>short I, and th.

> >>Class participation reading dialogues out loud.

> >>

> >> I have also designed a series of exercises to help students 

>learn

> >>the differentiation between short i and ee, j and y, th and t, and v

and

> >>b.

> >>These exercises are done in a contest format.

> >> Within a month, most of my students get a good grasp of 

>pronunciation

> >>and a working vocabulary.

> >> All of my students receive a textbook I have written plus an audio

> >> cd

> >>that accompanies the text. Usually I work in a computer lab setting

so

> >>that

> >>half the class can use PUMAROSA.

> >> Below is a lesson I use to teach the pronunciation of the past

> >>tense which is contained in my grammar workbook.

> >> LA PRONUNCIACION DEL PASADO

> >>El tiempo pasado de los verbos tienen la terminaciòn de "D" o "ED",

y 

>hay

> >>tres pronunciaciones.

> >>1. Con el sonido de "T" A los verbos que terminan en su forma bàsica

con

> >>las letras "k," "p," "ss," "..ace," "sh" y "ff" (y las palabras que 

>tienen

> >>el sonido de "ff," como "laugh" - reirse, y "cough" - toser), - la

> >>pronunciaciòn de la "-ed" en su forma pasado es "T."

> >>Ejemplos:

> >>"helped" se pronuncia "helpt"

> >>"talked" se pronuncia "takt"

> >>Las más comunes:

> >>ached = aekt

> >>asked = aeskt

> >>cooked = kukt

> >>jumped = jampt

> >>looked = lukt

> >>stopped = stapt

> >>walked = iualkt

> >>washed = iuasht

> >>watched. = iatcht

> >>worked = iuirkt

> >>2. "ED"

> >>A los verbos que terminan con los sonidos "d" o "t" en su forma

bàsica, 

>su

> >>forma pasada se pronuncia "ED."

> >>Ejemplos:

> >>"sounded" se pronuncia "saund-ed"

> >>"constructed" se pronuncia "construct - ed"

> >>otros: acted demanded demonstrated divided exploded voted NOTA: Este



>grupo

> >>de palabras tambien contiene muchos cognados, o palabras que estàn

> >>parecidas o iguales en inglès y español.

> >>3. "D"

> >>Con los demas verbos, su terminaciòn en el pasado se pronuncia "D,"

asi:

> >>"lived" se pronuncia "livd" "learned" se pronuncia "lernd"

> >>Otras: Copied Defined Described Employed Explained Played Remembered

> >>*Usa el diccionario para traducirlos; solamente quita la "d" o "ed."

> >>

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