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[EnglishLanguage 1009] Re: pronunciation of ed

Steinbacher, Mikal msteinbacher at cascadia.ctc.edu
Tue Jan 16 16:27:53 EST 2007


And I agree .. the unvoiced/voiced rule works automatically for /t/ and /d/ "ed" pronunciation .. to try to twist the unvoiced "ed" to /d/ is not logical and darn near impossible to do ... I'm not familiar with truspel but from what I've read here, it is a phonetic system of spelling and every dictionary I've every used has the phonetic spelling of jumped as /jumpt/ .

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Subject: [EnglishLanguage 1000] Re: pronunciation of ed


The "t" sound of "ed" at the end of a word indicates past tense, as does the sound "d" or "ed" or "id". I have not heard anyone in an American English conversation say "jumped" four times in a row, so this point escapes me. Although the sound "d" for "ed" at the end of a word is, in some cases, easier to say, this example does not support that "sometimes." In this case it is a contortion of American English to say "jumpd", which is neither easy or used in "flowing" speech.

Tom Zurinskas <truespel at hotmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Tom, good points. My problem was how to phonetically spell "jumped"
in truespel. (Someone said the books say ~jumpt, which started this
discussion). I decided on ~jumpd. It retains the "d" to show past tense.
It is mostly spoken "d" in flowing speech. Saying ~jumpt four times fast is
much more a strain (to get that aspiration in at the end of "t") than
~jumpd. This shows that ~d is easier to say, and speech tends to lean to
the easiest pronunciation.

Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL4+
See truespel.com and the 4 truespel books at authorhouse.com.


>From: "Thomas N. Robb"
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>Subject: [EnglishLanguage 997] Re: pronunciation of ed
>Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:50:37 +0900
>
>What is happening with the /d/, compared with /t/, endings is technically
>called "devoicing". The "voiced consonants" such as /b/, /d/, /g/ and /v/
>tend not to be fully voiced at the end of words, so they end up sounding
>pretty much like their unvoiced counterparts /p/, /t/, /k/, and /f/. We
>can't really say that they become the same, however, because if the
>following word begins with a vowel, then the full voicing is heard.
>Compare:
>
>He jumped.
>
>He jumped in.
>
>Cheers,
> Tom Robb, Japan
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