<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div>What is the correct link?<br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Judy Frost <jfrost@everettcc.edu><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List <englishlanguage@nifl.gov><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, December 5, 2008 11:30:43 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [EnglishLanguage 3255] Re:Idon't understandthecurrentthinkingbehind teaching reading toadults!<br></font><br>Thank you! I got it. I think it is a wonderful idea!<br>Judy<br><br>>>>
"Brian, Dr Donna J G" <<a ymailto="mailto:djgbrian@utk.edu" href="mailto:djgbrian@utk.edu">djgbrian@utk.edu</a>> 12/5/2008 7:09 AM >>><br>Hi Judy and all,<br>This is one of those times when the URL that was given has gotten split<br>between two lines of the message, and all you need to do to access the<br>page is put both of the two lines back together again in the URL window<br>of your browser. I just tried it, and I get the page we were told<br>about, so the URL that was given is not a dead link.<br><br>Donna Brian<br>Moderator, LINCS Workplace Literacy Discussion List<br>Off-list contact <a ymailto="mailto:djgbrian@utk.edu" href="mailto:djgbrian@utk.edu">djgbrian@utk.edu</a> <br> <br>To post a message:<br><a ymailto="mailto:workplace@nifl.gov" href="mailto:workplace@nifl.gov">workplace@nifl.gov</a> <br> <br>To subscribe/unsubscribe/change options/access archives:<br><a href="http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/workplace"
target="_blank">http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/workplace</a> <br> <br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:englishlanguage-bounces@nifl.gov" href="mailto:englishlanguage-bounces@nifl.gov">englishlanguage-bounces@nifl.gov</a> <br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:englishlanguage-bounces@nifl.gov" href="mailto:englishlanguage-bounces@nifl.gov">englishlanguage-bounces@nifl.gov</a>] On Behalf Of Judy Frost<br>Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:18 PM<br>To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List<br>Subject: [EnglishLanguage 3243] Re: Idon't understandthecurrent<br>thinkingbehind teaching reading toadults!<br><br>I would like to see this, but my browser said "page cannot be found", is<br>there some other way I can access the information?<br><br><br>Program Coordinator<br>Adult Education Tutorial Center<br>Volunteer Tutor Program<br>Everett Community College<br>425-388-9524 or<br>425 388 9085<br><a
ymailto="mailto:jfrost@everettcc.edu" href="mailto:jfrost@everettcc.edu">jfrost@everettcc.edu</a> <br> <br>"Be not the slave of your own past. Plunge into the sublime seas, dive<br>deep and swim far, so you shall come back with self-respect, with new<br>power, with an advanced experience that shall explain and overlook the<br>old." Ralph Waldo Emerson<br> <br>Everett Community College complies with all state and federal rules and<br>regulations and does not discriminate on the basis of age, race, color,<br>national origin, age, gender or disability.<br><br><br>>>> "White, Maria E (HRSA)" <<a ymailto="mailto:MEWhite@hrsa.gov" href="mailto:MEWhite@hrsa.gov">MEWhite@hrsa.gov</a>> 12/4/2008 7:25 AM >>><br>That is a very cool idea and possibly have them take it to Office Depot<br>and have it bound for about $7.00 to $10.00 or have them bound their own<br>book. Please see the process in link below because about two
years ago,<br>my children participated in Prince Georges County , MD write a book<br>literacy competition and maybe this idea can be adopted to the Adult<br>Learners and generate the students competing and sharing their stories,<br>poems or plays. Please review link to possibly adopt: <br><a href="http://www1.pgcps.org/uploadedFiles/Offices/Library_Media_Services/pdf/W" target="_blank">http://www1.pgcps.org/uploadedFiles/Offices/Library_Media_Services/pdf/W</a> <br><br>rite_A_Book__Literary_Competition_Guide.pdf<br><br> <br><br>"A love affair with knowledge will never end in heartbreak."<br>(Michael Garrett Marino) <br><br>Maria E. White<br><br>Maria E. White<br><br>Senior Civil Rights Analyst<br><br>Office of Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights<br><br>Health Resources and Services Administration<br><br>Health and Human Services<br><br>Parklawn Building 6-105<br><br>5600 Fishers Lane<br><br>Rockville, MD 20857<br><br>Office:
301-443-0363<br><br>Fax: 301-443-7898<br><br><a ymailto="mailto:mewhite@hrsa.gov" href="mailto:mewhite@hrsa.gov">mewhite@hrsa.gov</a> <br><br> <br><br> <br><br> <br><br>From: MaKeever Clarke [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:mclarke@lvgs.org" href="mailto:mclarke@lvgs.org">mclarke@lvgs.org</a>] <br>Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:37 AM<br>To: 'Wheeler, Tamela'; 'The Adult English Language Learners Discussion<br>List'<br>Subject: [EnglishLanguage 3235] Re: I don't understand thecurrent<br>thinkingbehind teaching reading to adults!<br><br> <br><br>Tamela,<br><br> <br><br>What a fabulous idea! I never thought of having my adult learners write<br>a children's book based on their cultures. That is such a wonderful way<br>to show that you respect and honor their culture and heritage, and yet<br>all the while have them working on their target language skills. THANK<br>YOU for this idea. I am going to add it to my list of favorite<br>techniques
(and give you full credit for it).<br><br> <br><br>MaKeever Clarke<br><br>Program Coordinator of Customized Workplace English<br><br>Literacy Volunteers of Greater Syracuse, Inc.<br><br>PO Box 27, 2111 South Salina Street<br><br>Syracuse, NY 13205<br><br><a ymailto="mailto:mclarke@lvgs.org" href="mailto:mclarke@lvgs.org">mclarke@lvgs.org</a> <br><br>(315) 471-1300 Ext. 14<br><br> <br><br> <br><br> <br><br> <br><br> <br><br> <br><br> <br><br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:englishlanguage-bounces@nifl.gov" href="mailto:englishlanguage-bounces@nifl.gov">englishlanguage-bounces@nifl.gov</a> <br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:englishlanguage-bounces@nifl.gov" href="mailto:englishlanguage-bounces@nifl.gov">englishlanguage-bounces@nifl.gov</a>] On Behalf Of Wheeler, Tamela<br>Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:19 AM<br>To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List<br>Subject: [EnglishLanguage 3216] Re: I don't understand the current<br>thinkingbehind
teaching reading to adults!<br><br> <br><br>I've used children's books as a TOOL for my ESOL students to write their<br>own children's book. There's so many stories and folk tales within our<br>students and this is a good avenue for them to share their stories from<br>their cultures of their lives. <br><br> <br><br>When I do this project, I require them to read up to 5 children's books<br>(I have a collection of children's books that I provide). They fill out<br>a form on each book (giving a summary, main characters, etc). They<br>really like this project. I've have some beautiful children's books<br>written and illustrated by my ESOL students. This helps with reading<br>and writing.<br><br> <br><br>Tamela Wheeler, MA<br><br>Pellissippi State Adult Education<br><br> <br><br>________________________________<br><br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:englishlanguage-bounces@nifl.gov"
href="mailto:englishlanguage-bounces@nifl.gov">englishlanguage-bounces@nifl.gov</a> <br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:englishlanguage-bounces@nifl.gov" href="mailto:englishlanguage-bounces@nifl.gov">englishlanguage-bounces@nifl.gov</a>] On Behalf Of Glenda Lynn Rose<br>Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:54 AM<br>To: The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List<br>Subject: [EnglishLanguage 3215] Re: I don't understand the current<br>thinkingbehind teaching reading to adults!<br><br> <br><br>I have to admit I"m a little insulted by tone of this response. I find<br>it ironic that open-mindedness is appreciated, but the idea of using<br>children's books is not included in that open-minded attitude. <br><br> <br><br>I do selectively use children's books. I use them because as an adult<br>some of my favorite books are still children's books and I use them when<br>I teach English speakers other subjects as well as language arts.
As<br>far as my students being insulted, I have never had a student who<br>complained. A lot of it may be in the presentation. <br><br> <br><br>The use of children's books has to be done with an understanding of your<br>goals and the goals of your students, of course. Some books I present<br>because they are part of the culture - "I do not like them Sam I am"<br>and "It's fun to have fun but you have to know how" are phrases from Dr.<br>Seuss, used outside their original storybook context, for example. <br><br>Alexander and the Terrible Horrible No Good Very Bad Day is one of my<br>and my students' favorite books, because it reminds us that bad days<br>happen and happen regardless of where you live ("even in Australia")<br>(and how your attitude is in the morning really affects how you see the<br>rest of the day.)<br><br>Some bilingual books, like The Upside Down Boy and I Love Saturdays y<br>Domingos I use because my
students are mainly parents, and these books<br>address issues that their children may be experiencing.<br><br> <br><br>David Schwarzer said that if the teacher likes to dance, everyone<br>dances. Maybe that's part of the key. I love children's books. I<br>continue to read them as an adult. I have a large personal collection<br>of books from which my students voluntarily (ie., ASK) to borrow. If<br>the teacher, however, dislikes children's books, then clearly he or she<br>should not use them, because that dislike will be transmitted to the<br>students and clearly will not be an effective teaching tool.<br><br> <br><br>In short, I respect your decision to not use children's books and your<br>reasons, but I also ask that you consider the possiblity that the use of<br>children's books is not as "insulting" or degrading as you might think,<br>depending on how and why they are used.<br><br> <br><br> <br><br> <br><br>Grace and
Peace!<br>Glenda Lynn Rose, PhD<br><br>512-789-5131 (cell)<br><br><a ymailto="mailto:glyndalin@yahoo.com" href="mailto:glyndalin@yahoo.com">glyndalin@yahoo.com</a> <br><br><br> <br><br><br><br>--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Jose Perez <<a ymailto="mailto:joseperez3338@gmail.com" href="mailto:joseperez3338@gmail.com">joseperez3338@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>From: Jose Perez <<a ymailto="mailto:joseperez3338@gmail.com" href="mailto:joseperez3338@gmail.com">joseperez3338@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: [EnglishLanguage 3214] Re: I don't understand the current<br>thinking behind teaching reading to adults!<br>To: "The Adult English Language Learners Discussion List"<br><<a ymailto="mailto:englishlanguage@nifl.gov" href="mailto:englishlanguage@nifl.gov">englishlanguage@nifl.gov</a>><br>Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 9:19 PM<br><br>Ali,<br> <br>Thank goodness for young, innovative, open-minded, "thinking outside<br>the box" individuals like you. We
need more future educators like you,<br>so I want to thank you for your very astute observations and comments.<br> <br>In my humble opinion, there is no place for children's books in an<br>adult class--whether it's an ESL class or an ABE class. It is<br>insulting, degrading and humiliating for adults, males especially, to<br>be handed children's books. It is a mistake many educators make. Maybe<br>it's because they don't realize the stigma and unfortunate humialition<br>these adults go through just admitting that they can't read, or how<br>hard it is to learn the (complicated) English language when your<br>native language is, say, Spanish. So I applaud you for not stooping to<br>giving your adult students children's books.<br> <br>I know I've said this before, but I am most likely one of their<br>biggest fans. Have you tried the Junkyard Dan series by Nox Press?<br>These are books written on a first-grade reading level, but are for<br>adults and are not
the typical condescending, dated, boring books that<br>we usually give these students. They are crime dramas. I use these<br>books with great success, and my students can't get enough of them. I<br>think that as a young, innovative educator, who seems to have a full<br>understanding on why our current ways are, on a whole, not effective<br>and not working very well for our adult students, if you visit the Nox<br>Press website, you will see what I am talking about. Your students<br>will thank you. But don't take my word for it. Check 'em out yourself!<br> <br>Good luck in your future teaching carreer, and may you make many great<br>changes in your lifetime.<br> <br>Jose Perez<br> <br>On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Ali Hesami <<a ymailto="mailto:hesamiar@gmail.com" href="mailto:hesamiar@gmail.com">hesamiar@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> That's a great point, and exactly what I'm talking about. If we as<br>educators<br>> keep extrapolating on
teaching methods for children because there are<br>not<br>> many adult-specific methods, how can we ever hope to develop an<br>> adult-specific method? I think we can agree that adults of varying<br>ages do<br>> not learn as children do, and have drastically different literacy<br>needs.<br>> <br>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Bonnie Odiorne<br><<a ymailto="mailto:bonniesophia@sbcglobal.net" href="mailto:bonniesophia@sbcglobal.net">bonniesophia@sbcglobal.net</a>><br>> wrote:<br>>> <br>>> I don't know a lot about adult reading acquisition theories, but I<br>do know<br>>> that many researchers take what works for children and extrapolate,<br>since<br>>> little work has been done with adults. The most important issue would<br>be<br>>> content, as folks have mentioned, and how the brain works, added to<br>the<br>>> adult's experience (possible trauma from illiteracy) and
passive<br>oral<br>>> vocabulary. I've been taught a combination of choosing key words<br>to remember<br>>> initial letters and word patterns to help with sound/letter<br>correspondence;<br>>> language experience stories that the learner would dictate and could<br>then<br>>> "read" relatively quickly, and a quick development of sight<br>word vocabulary.<br>>> Also workplace or other realia that the learner needs to function. In<br>>> relation to using children's books or techniques (the Wilson<br>method comes to<br>>> mind) I'd do it only if reading to children was one of the<br>adult's goals;<br>>> otherwise learners can make their own picture books with doodles and<br>>> accompanying text limited to their level and interest. I do have<br>direct<br>>> experience with taking a Methods and Materials ESL class whose<br>professor's<br>>> only knowledge of adult learners was of graduate
assistants in her<br>>> University, though she claimed adult learning as her specialty;<br>otherwise<br>>> her materials came right out of chldren's contexts and K-12<br>methodology; she<br>>> didn't appreciate my more "practical" methods and<br>materials that didn't have<br>>> communicative language games....<br>>> Bonnie Odiorne, Post University Writing Center, Waterbury, CT<br>>> <br>>> --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Ali Hesami <<a ymailto="mailto:hesamiar@gmail.com" href="mailto:hesamiar@gmail.com">hesamiar@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> <br>>> From: Ali Hesami <<a ymailto="mailto:hesamiar@gmail.com" href="mailto:hesamiar@gmail.com">hesamiar@gmail.com</a>><br>>> Subject: [EnglishLanguage 3184] I don't understand the current<br>thinking<br>>> behind teaching reading to adults!<br>>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:englishlanguage@nifl.gov"
href="mailto:englishlanguage@nifl.gov">englishlanguage@nifl.gov</a> <br>>> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:29 AM<br>>> <br>>> Hello all.<br>>> My name is Ali Hesami, and I am currently a graduate student in the<br>adult<br>>> literacy program at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond,<br>Virginia.<br>>> I've been attending a class called "Teaching Reading to<br>Adults" as part of<br>>> my required curriculum, and I have been wondering about the current<br>methods<br>>> used to teach reading to adults. It seems to me that the teacher<br>teach<br>>> adults just as they would teach children, often even using research<br>and<br>>> writing on teaching reading to children as guidelines.<br>>> While I understand the usefulness of phonics, phonetics, etc. by<br>>> themselves, I firmly believe that an adult can better benefit from<br>learning<br>>> to read by simply reading
in a classroom environment, guided by<br>teachers,<br>>> tutors, etc. An adult in his or her 40s or even 50s simply should not<br>have<br>>> to sit through long sessions of syllable by syllable instruction if<br>all they<br>>> desire id to be better able to communicate with others and better<br>express<br>>> their opinions about the world surrounding them.<br>>> I speak from experience here. I began learning English as a 14 year<br>old in<br>>> an international school in Tanzania. I placed into the 9th grade to<br>start;<br>>> no one ever even approached phonics, phonemes, etc. I read and<br>listened, all<br>>> the while guided by teachers who helped me with the material at hand.<br>I<br>>> became conversational in about three months or so, while I worked on<br>my<br>>> writing, also with guidance from my teachers. Conversely, while in<br>school in<br>>> my native Tehran, Iran, I was
taught English in a similar manner as<br>here,<br>>> and I spoke a grand total of three phrases when I left Iran for<br>Tanzania:<br>>> Hello, Fine thank you, and Beg your pardon? I'm not even joking<br>here!<br>>> I admit as a 14 year old I had an advantage over adults here, but I<br>can't<br>>> help but wonder if what worked for me would help adults much more<br>than<br>>> playing word games and reading children's books.<br>>> Let's have them read material they can identify with in some way,<br>and keep<br>>> them reading, while slowly working on their writing skill alongside.<br>>> Let me know any thoughts, ideas, criticisms, etc. It has been eating<br>away<br>>> at me for a few months now.<br>>> Thanks in advance,<br>>> Ali Hesami<br>>> <a ymailto="mailto:hesamiar@gmail.com" href="mailto:hesamiar@gmail.com">hesamiar@gmail.com</a> <br>>> <br>>>
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