Ditto for university students with LD/other issues needing 
accommodation that I worked with at a major university--and that I have 
had as a teacher.   They must be the ones disclosing to schools, 
requesting accommodations of the learning support at the college and 
then taking the letter requesting accommodations to each 
professor/instructor-- or not as the student chooses.  If they do not, 
the school is helpless to do anything except recommend.   It is pretty 
alarming that adult programs ask for and get all this information 
without the student's permission!  Robin Schwarz,  M.Sp.Ed:LD, 
Columbus, Ohio

-----Original Message-----
From: Anita Landoll <amlandoll at yahoo.com>
To: The Learning Disabilities Discussion List 
<learningdisabilities at nifl.gov>
Sent: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:30:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [LearningDisabilities] Out of school youth withlearning 
disabilities

Hi,
Well, when I worked with students with learning
problems at the community college level, we did
nothing without signed permission from the student.
The student had to come to me and sign saying she/he
wanted help. Any information the student and I
developed for teachers was given to the student, who
had the option of giving it to the teachers. The
student chose whether or not to disclose info, and
what info to disclose to the teachers. And any info I
got from previous schools had to be requested in
writing from the students.

Anita  www.learntoreadnow.com




--- Susan Jones <SUJones at parkland.edu> wrote:


> Yup, this pretty much looks like I would have all

> kinds of rights that a parent wouldn't.

>

> I'm suddenly somewhat appreciative of how defensive

> one of my co-workers is about student information.

>

> >>> prwhite at MadisonCounty.NET 01/04/06 3:25 PM >>>

> Thanks for your response, Susan.

>

> The website Varshna referenced says, "FERPA gives

> parents certain rights

> with respect to their children's education records.

> These rights transfer to

> the student when he or she reaches the age of 18 or

> attends a school beyond

> the high school level. Students to whom the rights

> have transferred are

> 'eligible students.'"

>

> So if the student is under 18, it seems like the

> parents wouldn't need to

> sign a release form to see the student's records,

> because the rights pertain

> to the parents.  After 18, the parents would need a

> release from the

> student, but you still wouldn't, right?  Because as

> an Academic Development

> Specialist, you would be a "School official with

> legitimate educational

> interest"?  This opens up a whole can of worms that

> I just don't get yet,

> especially re: how this works for adult ed.

>

> Patti White

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Susan Jones

> To: learningdisabilities at nifl.gov

> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:05 PM

> Subject: Re: [LearningDisabilities] Out of school

> youth withlearning

> disabilities

>

>

> I would imagine that the privacy rights change when

> the magic age of 18 is

> crossed.    I know that parents we work with are

> often confused (and

> frustrated) when we tell them that we really can't

> talk to them about their

> children, period, without a release.

>

> Susan Jones

> Academic Development Specialist

> Academic Development Center

> Parkland College

> Champaign, IL  61821

> sujones at parkland.edu

> Webmastress,

> http://www.resourceroom.net

>

> Susan Jones

> Academic Development Specialist

> Academic Development Center

> Parkland College

> Champaign, IL  61821

> sujones at parkland.edu

> Webmastress,

> http://www.resourceroom.net

>

> >>> prwhite at MadisonCounty.NET 01/04/06 2:08 PM >>>

> Oh, Varshna.....there's really a loophole for

> confidentiality?  This is

> somewhat alarming.  Everything I've ever heard or

> seen from anyone in the

> field of adult ed & LD has been very, very clear

> that the students'

> disabilities can not be disclosed - even within the

> program - without a

> signed release form.  And I know that many states

> that have developed LD

> policy manuals for adult ed have been very explicit

> about following

> appropriate procedures regarding

> confidentiality...including ours in

> Arkansas.

>

> The phrase "School officials with legitimate

> educational interest" is so

> vague.  Does this mean that: (1) teachers can share

> students' disability

> information among themselves, the GED examiner, the

> program director, the

> intake person, etc.?  (2) programs no longer have to

> worry about hiding

> disability information on reports to the state?  (3)

> the state doesn't have

> to hide disability information on reports to the

> feds?  I mean, this could

> seriously get crazy.  When I work with adult ed

> students who have learning

> disabilities, it's always a feeling of security for

> them that they are in

> control of who in the program had access to their

> disability information.

>

> I'm wondering if anyone else out there knows more

> about how this actually

> plays out in real-life adult ed policies/procedures.

>  Thanks for any info

> you might have, and btw, I'm still looking for

> funding resources for

> accessibility projects.  ;)

>

> Patti White

> Disabilities Project Manager

> Arkansas Adult Learning Resource Center

> prwhite at madisoncounty.net

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Varshna Narumanchi-Jackson

> To: The Learning Disabilities Discussion List

> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 6:58 PM

> Subject: Re: [LearningDisabilities] Out of school

> youth with learning

> disabilities

>

>

> Robin:

>

> In general, I believe you are correct. I found this

> at the US Dept of

> Education website:

>

http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/ferpa/index.html

>

>

> Generally, schools must have written permission from

> the parent or eligible

> student in order to release any information from a

> student's education

> record. However, FERPA allows schools to disclose

> those records, without

> consent, to the following parties or under the

> following conditions (34 CFR

> § 99.31):

>

> -School officials with legitimate educational

> interest;

> -Other schools to which a student is transferring;

> -Specified officials for audit or evaluation

> purposes;

> -Appropriate parties in connection with financial

> aid to a student;

> -Organizations conducting certain studies for or on

> behalf of the school;

> -Accrediting organizations;

> -To comply with a judicial order or lawfully issued

> subpoena;

> -Appropriate officials in cases of health and safety

> emergencies; and

> -State and local authorities, within a juvenile

> justice system, pursuant to

> specific State law.

>

> I would imagine that many adult education programs

> that are linked to K-12

> or community colleges can demonstrate a 'legitimate

> educational interest'. I

> would, however, question the value of an IEP that is

> out of date or does not

> represent a complete assessment that is in practice

> today.  It seems the

> real heart of the issue is funding for assessments.

>

> I'd like to know if anyone on the list can offer

> some statistics on how many

> adults with LD actually have pre-existing IEPs that

> are (a) current and (b)

> relevant?

>

> Varshna Jackson

> Austin, TX

>

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