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[LearningDisabilities 1265] Re: LearningDisabilities Digest, Vol 21, Issue 1Clancy, Jennifer C clancy.jennifer.c at edumail.vic.gov.auSat Jun 2 18:21:03 EDT 2007
Betsy! I would also be interested in seeing your list of items. probably wor= th posting it to the list. otherwise to clancy.jennifer.c at edumail.vic.gov.au Thanks. jennifer ________________________________ From: learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov on behalf of John Warrior Sent: Sat 2/06/2007 7:21 AM To: learningdisabilities at nifl.gov Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1260] Re: LearningDisabilities Digest, Vol 21= ,Issue 1 Hi Betsy, I would be interested in seeing your list of items. If you cannot post it could you please send me a copy at john.r.warrior at cox.net ? Are these questions and activities directed at a particular age group? John -----Original Message----- From: learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov [mailto:learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of learningdisabilities-request at nifl.gov Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:00 AM To: learningdisabilities at nifl.gov Subject: LearningDisabilities Digest, Vol 21, Issue 1 Send LearningDisabilities mailing list submissions to learningdisabilities at nifl.gov To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/learningdisab ilities or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to learningdisabilities-request at nifl.gov You can reach the person managing the list at learningdisabilities-owner at nifl.gov When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of LearningDisabilities digest..." Today's Topics: 1. [LearningDisabilities 1256] Re: Measures of Executive Functioning (Mary Kelly) 2. [LearningDisabilities 1257] Fw: Re: Repeat Question -LDScreeningToolsfor Non Native Speakers (Betsy) 3. [LearningDisabilities 1258] Re: Repeat Question-LDScreeningToolsfor Non Native Speakers (Katherine G) -------------------------------------------------- -------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:13:41 -0400 From: Mary Kelly <mskelly at aecom.yu.edu> Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1256] Re: Measures of Executive Functioning To: The Learning Disabilities Discussion List <learningdisabilities at nifl.gov> Message-ID: <20070531171324.8428A3E at post.aecom.yu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" The WCST is one fun way to measure the ability to establish a set and cognitive flexibility. There is an entire battery devoted to measures of executive function called the Delis-Kaplan Executive Function System. It is comprised of a number of subtests and is well-normed. It is published by The Psychological Corp. It is to be used by trained psychologists. Mary S. Kelly, PhD Director, Fisher Landau Center for the Treatment of LD Albert Einstein College of Medicine 1165 Morris Park Ave. Bronx, NY 10463 At 10:00 PM 5/30/2007, you wrote: >Executive Function can be measured by the Wisconsin Card Sort Test. >This is a computer-generated test that should be administered and >scored by a fully-qualified assessment specialist (Licensed School >Counselor/Psychologist). It measures various aspects of Executive >Function and can provide some useful information. Another test is >the BRIEF (Behavior Rating Inventory of Executive Function). This is >a checklist that can be completed by Parent and Teacher and also >produces a useful information for the student and those who work with him/her. > >Julie Ennis M.ED >Education Consultant >Fairfax VA > > > > >---------- >See what's free at <http://www.aol.com?ncid=3DAOLAOF00020000000503 <http://www.aol.com/?ncid=3D= AOLAOF00020000000503> >AOL. com. >------------------------------------------------- --- >National Institute for Literacy >Learning Disabilities mailing list >LearningDisabilities at nifl.gov >To unsubscribe or change your subscription settings, please go to >http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/learningdisa bilities >Email delivered to mskelly at aecom.yu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.nifl.gov/pipermail/learningdisabilities /attachments/20070531/3f786c20/attachment-0001.htm l ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:57:43 -0500 From: "Betsy" <bsg36 at comcast.net> Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1257] Fw: Re: Repeat Question -LDScreeningToolsfor Non Native Speakers To: <learningdisabilities at nifl.gov>> Message-ID: <00ce01c7a3ad$30823da0$5c7ffe45 at Betsy> Content-Type: text/plain; format=3Dflowed; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"; reply-type=3Doriginal Dear Katherine, I am a certified Orton-Gillingham tutor-trainer. In case you are not familiar with it, this is an approach for teaching those who are dyslexic, Dyslexia is a language processing problem and manifests itself with difficulties in understanding or using one or more areas of language processing, i.e., listening, speaking, reading, writing and spelling. It is the most commonly recognized type of LD. My answer to your question is that if a learner has been diagnosed with a general learning disability after being tested by a licensed psychologist and shows characteristics of dyslexia, it is a safe bet that person is dyslexic. The severity of the language processing (dyslexia)problem can be placed on a continuum from mild to severe. If a learner has poor visual AND auditory memories, the problem is likely to be more severe. A few clues would be the inability to blend graphemes and their corresponding phonemes together into words, (phonological awareness), difficulty sequencing, being able to identify the number of sounds in a word, identify where they are placed and be able to manipulate them. I have a list of 10 questions/activities you can do with a learner to check phonemic awareness skills if you are interested. Personally, I do not like using the term "dyslexia" as it is so often misunderstood. Some people think that simply the tendency to reverse letters means one is dyslexic. I would rather just say that someone has difficulty processing language that manifests itself with difficulty in the area of reading, writing, or whatever "language" area seems to be the problem. I don't know if I have answered your question or not. Let me know. Betsy S. Gauss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine G" <Kgotthardt at comcast.net> To: "The Learning Disabilities Discussion List" < Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:20 PM Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1250] Re: Repeat Question -LDScreeningToolsfor Non Native Speakers > Hello-- > > I have been "lurking" on this list for a bit, reading the postings and > gleaning information from people who have more assessment experience > working > with learning disabled adults than I do. While I have worked with this > population and have provided accommodations in the live classroom, I have > not used screening tools, so this is new territory for me. As a distance > education instructor, I often wonder about ESOL learners who may have > learning disabilities, how the two learning issues can be distinguished, > and > how I can further help them online. > > That being said, I have a general question about learning disabilities and > dyslexia. If a learner has been diagnosed with a general learning > disability but has dyslexic tendencies, would the learner automatically be > considered dyslexic, or is dyslexia a separate learning disability unto > itself? > > > Katherine Mercurio Gotthardt > > ESOL Distance Education Instructor > > Prince William County Public Schools > > Adult Education > > P.O. Box 389 > > Manassas, VA 20108 > > 703-791-8387 > > http://www.pwcs.edu/curriculum/adulted/ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov > [mailto:learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov]On Behalf Of Glenn Young > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:42 PM > To: 'The Learning Disabilities Discussion List' > Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1245] Re: Repeat Question -LD > ScreeningToolsfor Non Native Speakers > > > > > If you look at the web site for Ian Smythe, and the World Dyslexia Network > Foundation > http://www.wdnf.info/cvis.html and ask him this question you could get a > vastly more complete answer ... He works with researchers in some 45 > countries concerning dyslexia and LD ... And several of these countries > have > developed local screens, including in Greek, Turkish, Arabic and Chinese > ..and there is also a European Dyslexia Association > http://www.dyslexia.eu.com/ they could perhaps provide you with more > answers > ... > > There was actually a conference in Cyprus on Multilingualism and > Dyslexia 3rd International Multilingualism and Dyslexia Conference, > Cyprus, July, 2005, where I presented ... And meet many of these > researchers ... Lots of fun ... > > So there is lots of interest in other languages ... In these other > countries ... > > However ... More then one big note of caution ... 1) The screens from > other > nations have not been "normed" to meet US standards, and 2) the Screens > are > for dyslexia, only one of the many issues of LD in the US ... So the > screens > may only show a reading deficit in the native language, not necessarily a > deficit that is equivalent to the LD issues we have in the US. > > However ... Its good to now that there are peoples in other countries > trying > to meet the same needs we are .... You may want to pose the question to > those persons there who are working on these issues there ... > > OK > > Glenn Young > 530 Auburn Ave. > Buffalo, New York 14222 > Ph. and Fax 716-882-2842 > Cell 703-864-3755 > e-mail gyoungxlt at adelphia.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov > [mailto:learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Beverly > Cranmer > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 2:03 PM > To: learningdisabilities at nifl.gov > Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1243] Re: Repeat Question - LD > ScreeningToolsfor Non Native Speakers > > Barbara, > I do not know the name of an instrument off hand, but I have received > documentation that was originally writen in another language. I would > have > to check in my files to see what I am able to locate. I do remember one > that was in Hebrew. I will see what instruments were used to determine > that > students disability. > Beverly Cranmer > > Beverly Cranmer > Coordinator of Disability Services > Broward Community College > Willis Holcombe Downtown Center > Bldg. 33 Room 114 > 954-201-7655 > bcranmer at broward.edu > > Please Note: Due to Florida's very broad public records law, most written > communications to or from College employees regarding College business are > public records, available to the public and media upon request. Therefore, > this email communication may be subject to public disclosure. >>>> akohring at utk.edu 05/30/07 3:52 PM >>> > Barbara, > > > > The only one I am aware of is the Empire State Screen for Spanish speaking > adults: http://www.ldaofwny.org/ESS%20Screeening.htm > > > > Aaron > > > > Aaron Kohring > > Research Associate > > UT Center for Literacy Studies > > 600 Henley St, Ste 312 > > Knoxville, TN 37996-4135 > > Ph: 865-974-4258 > > Main: 865-974-4109 > > Fax: 865-974-3857 > > akohring at utk.edu > > > > ________________________________ > > From: learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov > [mailto:learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of > RKenyon721 at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:22 PM > To: learningdisabilities at nifl.gov > Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1241] Repeat Question - LD Screening > Toolsfor > Non Native Speakers > > > > Hi, > > > > I am re-posting a question that was posted during the holiday weekend. > Up until now, there has been no response. Does anyone have an answer to > this subscriber's question? > > > > > > Hello, > I recently attended a wonderful academy presented by Rochelle Kenyon about > Adults with Learning Disabilities. As an ESOL (English for Speakers of > Other > Languages) Adult Educator, it concerned me that there are limited > screening > tests for adults whose first language is not English. Does anybody have LD > Adult screening tests in Creole/Haitian, Portuguese, Russian, Chinese or > any > other languages besides English? It would be a great tool for those of us > who work with the ESOL adult population. > > > Thank you, > > Barbara Kushner > ESOL Instructor > Adult Education Center > West Palm Beach, Florida > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rochelle > > > > Rochelle Kenyon > Moderator, NIFL/LINCS Learning Disabilities Discussion List Center for > Literacy Studies at the University of Tennessee RKenyon721 at aol.com > > To post a message: > Learningdisabilities at nifl.gov > > To subscribe: > http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/LearningDisab ilities > > To read archived messages: > http://www.nifl.gov/pipermail/learningdisabilities /2007/date.html > > > > > > ________________________________ > > See what's free at AOL.com > <http://www.aol.com?ncid=3DAOLAOF00020000000503 <http://www.aol.com/?ncid= =3DAOLAOF00020000000503> > . > > > -------------------------------------------------- -- > National Institute for Literacy > Learning Disabilities mailing list > LearningDisabilities at nifl.gov > To unsubscribe or change your subscription settings, please go to > http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/learningdisab ilities > Email delivered to gyoungxlt at comcast.net > > -------------------------------------------------- -- > National Institute for Literacy > Learning Disabilities mailing list > LearningDisabilities at nifl.gov > To unsubscribe or change your subscription settings, please go to > http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/learningdisab ilities > Email delivered to kgotthardt at comcast.net > > -------------------------------------------------- -- > National Institute for Literacy > Learning Disabilities mailing list > LearningDisabilities at nifl.gov > To unsubscribe or change your subscription settings, please go to > http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/learningdisab ilities > Email delivered to bsg36 at comcast.net ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 14:28:38 -0400 From: "Katherine G" <Kgotthardt at comcast.net> Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1258] Re: Repeat Question-LDScreeningToolsfor Non Native Speakers To: "The Learning Disabilities Discussion List" <learningdisabilities at nifl.gov> Message-ID: <MHEMKJNHLDIEMGGCCKCCOEIJDFAA.Kgotthardt at comcast.n et> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Thank you so much, Glenn, for clearing that up as much as it CAN be! I also appreciate the old joke. It's a new one on me : ) Katherine Mercurio Gotthardt -----Original Message----- From: learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov [mailto:learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov]On Behalf Of Glenn Young Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:40 AM To: 'The Learning Disabilities Discussion List' Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1253] Re: Repeat Question-LDScreeningToolsfor Non Native Speakers Katherine ... There is an old joke in the field ... The best way to cure a learning disability is to cross a state line ... And depending upon training and location, you could get a "yes" answer and a "no" answer from various people in various locations ... and they could both be correct (or wrong). So the answer to your question may actually be just may be based on each states definition of learning disabilities and if the state does or does not recognize dyslexia as a disabling condition or not The same is true from country to country as well ... Since there are two competing definitions out there ... The US model and the UK model ... (US has dyslexia as a subset of LD,) where the UK model uses the term Dyslexia as the main term and meaning what we mainly mean as LD in the US, and uses LD to mainly mean what we call MR (or general very low intelligence) ... All this adds to all kinds of confusion with researching or talking cross boarders. And to add to the confusion ... The US has the K-12 model and the post K-12 model (or more appropriately the out of school model) And there are differences between them However in general ... If we use the definition of LD as used not in public schools in the US, but used by the Vocational Rehabilitation systems in the US (for adults) ... We find that a person with a general LD definition does NOT have to have dyslexia, and in fact could be reading perfectly fine ... And still be consider LD ... Even with mild dyslexia tendencies ... The primary elements of dysfunction for the definition of LD could be a wide range of other factors other then reading ... The VR definition of LD says: A specific learning disability is a disorder in one or more of the central nervous system processes involved in perceiving, understanding, and/or using concepts through verbal (spoken or written) language or non- verbal means. VR defines LD as: This disorder manifests itself with a deficit in one or more of the following areas: attention, - reasoning, processing, - memory, communication, - reading, writing, - spelling, calculation, - coordination, social competence, and emotional maturity. So someone could be considered LD for severe math problems, or being able to read but unable to write ... Etc ... Or even based only on social competence and emotional maturity (the infamous non-verbal LD debate) ... In an old Harry Bellefonte song --- the chorus goes ... It was clear as mud that did cover the ground, and the confusion made my head turn round ... I think that could be a good description of the LD field as far as real and clear definitions and ability to determine facts ... Thanks Glenn Young 530 Auburn Ave. Buffalo, New York 14222 Ph. and Fax 716-882-2842 Cell 703-864-3755 e-mail gyoungxlt at adelphia.net -----Original Message----- From: learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov [mailto:learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Katherine G Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:21 PM To: The Learning Disabilities Discussion List Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1250] Re: Repeat Question -LDScreeningToolsfor Non Native Speakers Hello-- I have been "lurking" on this list for a bit, reading the postings and gleaning information from people who have more assessment experience working with learning disabled adults than I do. While I have worked with this population and have provided accommodations in the live classroom, I have not used screening tools, so this is new territory for me. As a distance education instructor, I often wonder about ESOL learners who may have learning disabilities, how the two learning issues can be distinguished, and how I can further help them online. That being said, I have a general question about learning disabilities and dyslexia. If a learner has been diagnosed with a general learning disability but has dyslexic tendencies, would the learner automatically be considered dyslexic, or is dyslexia a separate learning disability unto itself? Katherine Mercurio Gotthardt ESOL Distance Education Instructor Prince William County Public Schools Adult Education P.O. Box 389 Manassas, VA 20108 703-791-8387 http://www.pwcs.edu/curriculum/adulted/ -----Original Message----- From: learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov [mailto:learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov]On Behalf Of Glenn Young Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:42 PM To: 'The Learning Disabilities Discussion List' Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1245] Re: Repeat Question -LD ScreeningToolsfor Non Native Speakers If you look at the web site for Ian Smythe, and the World Dyslexia Network Foundation http://www.wdnf.info/cvis.html and ask him this question you could get a vastly more complete answer ... He works with researchers in some 45 countries concerning dyslexia and LD ... And several of these countries have developed local screens, including in Greek, Turkish, Arabic and Chinese ..and there is also a European Dyslexia Association http://www.dyslexia.eu.com/ they could perhaps provide you with more answers ... There was actually a conference in Cyprus on Multilingualism and Dyslexia 3rd International Multilingualism and Dyslexia Conference, Cyprus, July, 2005, where I presented ... And meet many of these researchers ... Lots of fun ... So there is lots of interest in other languages ... In these other countries ... However ... More then one big note of caution ... 1) The screens from other nations have not been "normed" to meet US standards, and 2) the Screens are for dyslexia, only one of the many issues of LD in the US ... So the screens may only show a reading deficit in the native language, not necessarily a deficit that is equivalent to the LD issues we have in the US. However ... Its good to now that there are peoples in other countries trying to meet the same needs we are .... You may want to pose the question to those persons there who are working on these issues there ... OK Glenn Young 530 Auburn Ave. Buffalo, New York 14222 Ph. and Fax 716-882-2842 Cell 703-864-3755 e-mail gyoungxlt at adelphia.net -----Original Message----- From: learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov [mailto:learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Beverly Cranmer Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 2:03 PM To: learningdisabilities at nifl.gov Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1243] Re: Repeat Question - LD ScreeningToolsfor Non Native Speakers Barbara, I do not know the name of an instrument off hand, but I have received documentation that was originally writen in another language. I would have to check in my files to see what I am able to locate. I do remember one that was in Hebrew. I will see what instruments were used to determine that students disability. Beverly Cranmer Beverly Cranmer Coordinator of Disability Services Broward Community College Willis Holcombe Downtown Center Bldg. 33 Room 114 954-201-7655 bcranmer at broward.edu Please Note: Due to Florida's very broad public records law, most written communications to or from College employees regarding College business are public records, available to the public and media upon request. Therefore, this email communication may be subject to public disclosure. >>> akohring at utk.edu 05/30/07 3:52 PM >>> Barbara, The only one I am aware of is the Empire State Screen for Spanish speaking adults: http://www.ldaofwny.org/ESS%20Screeening.htm Aaron Aaron Kohring Research Associate UT Center for Literacy Studies 600 Henley St, Ste 312 Knoxville, TN 37996-4135 Ph: 865-974-4258 Main: 865-974-4109 Fax: 865-974-3857 akohring at utk.edu ________________________________ From: learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov [mailto:learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of RKenyon721 at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:22 PM To: learningdisabilities at nifl.gov Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1241] Repeat Question - LD Screening Toolsfor Non Native Speakers Hi, I am re-posting a question that was posted during the holiday weekend. Up until now, there has been no response. Does anyone have an answer to this subscriber's question? Hello, I recently attended a wonderful academy presented by Rochelle Kenyon about Adults with Learning Disabilities. As an ESOL (English for Speakers of Other Languages) Adult Educator, it concerned me that there are limited screening tests for adults whose first language is not English. Does anybody have LD Adult screening tests in Creole/Haitian, Portuguese, Russian, Chinese or any other languages besides English? It would be a great tool for those of us who work with the ESOL adult population. Thank you, Barbara Kushner ESOL Instructor Adult Education Center West Palm Beach, Florida Thanks, Rochelle Rochelle Kenyon Moderator, NIFL/LINCS Learning Disabilities Discussion List Center for Literacy Studies at the University of Tennessee RKenyon721 at aol.com To post a message: Learningdisabilities at nifl.gov To subscribe: http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/LearningDisab ilities To read archived messages: http://www.nifl.gov/pipermail/learningdisabilities /2007/date.html ________________________________ See what's free at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?ncid=3DAOLAOF00020000000503 <http://www.aol.com/?ncid=3D= AOLAOF00020000000503> > . -------------------------------------------------- -- National Institute for Literacy Learning Disabilities mailing list LearningDisabilities at nifl.gov To unsubscribe or change your subscription settings, please go to http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/learningdisab ilities Email delivered to gyoungxlt at comcast.net -------------------------------------------------- -- National Institute for Literacy Learning Disabilities mailing list LearningDisabilities at nifl.gov To unsubscribe or change your subscription settings, please go to http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/learningdisab ilities Email delivered to kgotthardt at comcast.net -------------------------------------------------- -- National Institute for Literacy Learning Disabilities mailing list LearningDisabilities at nifl.gov To unsubscribe or change your subscription settings, please go to http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/learningdisab ilities Email delivered to gyoungxlt at comcast.net -------------------------------------------------- -- National Institute for Literacy Learning Disabilities mailing list LearningDisabilities at nifl.gov To unsubscribe or change your subscription settings, please go to http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/learningdisab ilities Email delivered to kgotthardt at comcast.net ------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------- -- National Institute for Literacy Learning Disabilities mailing list LearningDisabilities at nifl.gov To unsubscribe or change your subscription settings, please go to http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/learningdisab ilities End of LearningDisabilities Digest, Vol 21, Issue 1 ************************************************** * ---------------------------------------------------- National Institute for Literacy Learning Disabilities mailing list LearningDisabilities at nifl.gov To unsubscribe or change your subscription settings, please go to http://www= .nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/learningdisabilities Email delivered to clancy.jennifer.c at edumail.vic.gov.au Important - This email and any attachments may be confidential. 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