If there is an issue of all persons with disabilities being discriminated in
some fashion by the financial aid issue . then there is an issue 

 

However, the group of people you're discussing  are not identified even as
persons with disabilities and therefore can not approach the issue from that
fashion . unless there is a clear impact of the failure to identify the
disability as within the welfare populations  --- however .. the issues in
welfare policies were and are far more draconian then the issues of college
. and there was specific mandates in the welfare laws for welfare persons to
be evaluated for barriers to employment .  there is no such mandated in the
Higher education act .. for colleges to evaluate students for barriers to
success in college . and there are also other civil rights issues concerning
asking colleges to screen all incoming students for LD . which I won't go
into . 

 

Also . lots of people go to college and fail and acquire the debt associated
with that failure . and they fail for a host of reasons, not just disability
..

 

Now it you frame the discussion differently .. Into a more global major
concern . 

 

Saying that the existing AHEAD guidelines on who can be or are being
classified as persons with LD in higher education is obsolete and
discriminatory  . 

 

or if you say that with the changes to IDEA has created public policy that
causes most  persons with LD trying to entering college do not have the
documentation needed to maintain their status as a person with disabilities,
(and can't afford to get the documentation on their own) . 

 

or if you say that schools in general are greatly failing to properly
identify those with disabilities and are not providing the "appropriate
education" that the student is entitled to under FAPE . then you have an
issue that involve civil right concern 

 

(by the way --- all three of these points are very true . and almost no
action is being taken against any of them)

 

These can be seen as civil rights issues

 

Also - unfortunately . the issue you are raising about persons with LD
coming into college and acquiring debt because they are not prepared for
college because they have not been identified and accommodated (or have
failed along the way to acquire the knowledge needed to compete in college
due to the failure in FAPE) .while also very true and is an issue that we
need to consider . is kind of like looking at global warming and only being
concerned about polar bears .. The issue is real . and the impact is real .
but the manifestation is so far down the line . and kind of avoids the major
issues of why the polar bear or the LD college student is in trouble  . and
misses so many of the other people impacted by the massive and major issues
.. Also we can save some polar bears but have little impact on global
warming .and address some college debt issues and not greatly impact the
lives of persons with LD . 

 

We need to change the whole environment (pun intended) in addressing LD .
which is under such attack with RTI and the changes in IDEA . and the adult
world . soon no child leaving high school will have the proper documentation
to prove they have LD in college or any other setting .. So it won't just be
the few who make it to college --- it's everyone . 

 

The crisis is so real and there is almost no response . so while I really
understand the issue you are raising and see the issue . the best way to
address it is to address the global attack on LD . the and manifest dangers
involved in that . 

 

So to paraphrase and old organizing saying === Think globally but act
globally too (ok act locally too, but as part of a global effort)

 

It would be great if we could have a discussion on how to act globally on LD
issues  . that would be a good discussion one to have. 

 

Glenn Young

CSLD

530 Auburn Ave

Buffalo NY 14222

Cell 703-864-3755

Fax 716-822-2842

website: glennyoungcsld.com

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From: learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov
[mailto:learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Katherine
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:47 PM
To: The Learning Disabilities Discussion List
Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1648] Re: Answer to Jon's Question
-LDDocumentation Time Limits

 

--The "receipt of financial aid" is not a protected classification under
Federal or state civil rights laws.--  

 

I realize receiving financial aid isn't a protected status.  But what about
people who have disabilities who have received financial aid or who have
borrowed money, only to fail because of an undiagnosed disability?

 

Katherine Mercurio Gotthardt
www.luxuriouschoices.net 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: RKenyon721 at aol.com 

To: learningdisabilities at nifl.gov 

Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:41 PM

Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1647] Answer to Jon's Question -
LDDocumentation Time Limits

 

Hello,

 

I am posting the following response on behalf of Idris Muhammad.

 

Rochelle

 

 

 

I do not believe it is a civil rights violation to omit screening anyone
receiving college Federal Financial Aid, particularly, including those
students who have failed in a higher education system.  The "receipt of
financial aid" is not a protected classification under Federal or state
civil rights laws.

 


Respectfully yours,

Idris A. Muhammad, Director
Student Disability Services
(386) 506-3076
 <mailto:muhammi at dbcc.edu> muhammi at dbcc.edu 

 

 

 

 

Rochelle Kenyon
Moderator, NIFL/LINCS Learning Disabilities Discussion List
Center for Literacy Studies at the University of Tennessee
RKenyon721 at aol.com 
 
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