Just want to clarify that yes, money was definitely the problem, but illiteracy was not.  These were ESOL learners--very educated-- struggling mostly with writing in English for college classes.   Robin 


 


 

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From: Lucille Cuttler <l.cuttler at comcast.net>
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Sent: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 2:03 pm
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Another hooray!  For saying the truth - schools don't want to pay 
for special education when the problem is illiteracy.   



 


 


Clearly explicit direct instruction, using multisensory techniques, as 
recommended by scientific research, could help all adult learners seeking 
help.  Are there any programs out there now doing this for the adult 
learner, in a comprehensive structured training for the tutors?  



 


Lucille Cuttler   


 


 



  
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From: 
  learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov 
  [mailto:learningdisabilities-bounces at nifl.gov]On Behalf Of 
  Katherine
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 8:57 
  AM
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  [LearningDisabilities 1687] Re: Testing for LD



  
I don't think we have to "beat the bushes" very 
  much to locate students with LD, considering the stats.  EDUCATORS should 
  know that many adult learners come to school having LD.  These people 
  just didn't want to pay.  I've worked for folks like that.  Quite 
  distasteful.

  
 

  
Katherine Mercurio Gotthardt
www.luxuriouschoices.net 

  

    
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From: 
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To: learningdisabilities at nifl.gov 
    

    
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:38 
    PM

    
Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1686] 
    Re: Testing for LD

    



    
Wow, Idris, that is 
    TERRIFIC-- when I did a very similar thing at the university where I 
    worked-- identifying ESOL learners who appeared to have LD and who had been 
    admitted to the university, often sponsored by their countries, I was 
    similarly successful in helping students get accommodations who otherwise 
    would have failed out of school. However, rather than seeing it as a 
    successful effort,  I was accused of beating the bushes for persons 
    with LD!!  The university was not  happy to have to accommodate 
    them.    I am happy for you and the students that your school did 
    not similarly protest your helping those who did not self identify but who 
    so richly deserved the help your project offered them.    
    

Robin Lovrien Schwarz 


    



    


-----Original Message-----
From: Idris Muhammad 
    <MUHAMMI at dbcc.edu>
To: Learningdisabilities at nifl.gov
Sent: Tue, 
    29 Jan 2008 2:05 pm
Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1685] Testing for 
    LD


    

    
Hello Rochelle,

    
 

    
I forgot to tell you about what we do here 
    at Daytona Beach College (DBC).  About six years ago, I petitioned 
    DBC's Planning Council to fund a trial program to test students that are (1) 
    "good students" that exhibit characteristics of learning disabilities, (2) 
    but who were never tested or diagnosed for LDs, (3) who demonstrate a 
    financial need for test assistance, and (4) who are recommended by 
    instructors that have first-hand knowledge of their learning problems. 
     The strategy that I used was to challenge the College's goal of 
    ensuring student success.  I argued that if DBC’s open 
    door policy ensured easy access to the college and its programs and 
    services, then the college was honor-bound to ensure that it students 
    achieved success in those programs and services.  I also 
    argued that as an open door institution, DBC as well as other community 
    colleges would attract a disparately greater numbers of students with 
    undiagnosed learning disabilities, than other postsecondary 
    institutions.  Through the Planning Council, the 
    College put $15,000 non-recurring funds in the budget for Student 
    Disability Services (SDS) to use to test students on a trial basis. 
     The first year was a resounding success and SDS was able 
    to provide several previously undiagnosed students with reasonable 
    accommodations and or concentrated academic/career advisement and 
    support.  Due to the success we achieved in testing 
    students, I petitioned the Planning Council the following year to increase 
    the funding for LD testing and to fund the program with recurring funds. 
     Currently, SDS receives $24,500 in recurring funds to 
    continue testing students, with or without disabilities

Respectfully yours,

Idris 
    A. Muhammad, Director
Student Disability Services
(386) 506-3076
muhammi at dbcc.edu


    
 

    
 

    
 


Respectfully yours,

Idris 
    A. Muhammad, Director
Student Disability Services
(386) 506-3076
muhammi at dbcc.edu


    

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