[LearningDisabilities 1921] Re: [Possible SPAM] Re: LearningDisabilities Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1
Hayden, Geraldine M.
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Thu Apr 3 15:20:13 EDT 2008
I completely agree with what your are saying. Educators should do what
ever is necessary to help the student be successful (accommodate,
modify). It is through those daily accommodations that demonstrate that
need, and the GED examiner will approve based on an IEP or 504.
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As I read the many responses to this question I must say I am a little
surprised and disappointed. I read about certain laws and jurisdictions;
I read about the need for documentation; I read about formal requests.
The sense that I get is, oh yes. We do accommodate, but only when it is
deserved.
I should think that a teacher who works closely with any student would
automatically assess the student's individual needs and preferences in
order to accommodate, to build on the student's strengths, and to cope
with his or her difficulties. Whether or not there is a disability,
whether or not there is a request or documentation should be irrelevant.
The goal should be to do what is necessary to help the student learn.
Period.
I am surprised because the adult ed programs I know about have a
tradition of not closing the doors to anyone, no matter what
difficulties they may have had in the past. I am disappointed that no
one here has indicated recognition that it is immaterial whether or not
there is a disability. We do what we have to in order to help the
student succeed. We do what is necessary to ensure the student has
access to our program. In my teaching, I would not be doing my job if it
were otherwise. Please tell me that you didn't say this in your remarks
because you accommodate so naturally and fluently that it didn't occur
to you that you do it even without putting the student through the
documentation gauntlet.
Think of all the time and energy that is wasted chasing after proof
there is something "wrong" with the student. If we could take that
effort and put it into more individualized instruction, think of how
much farther ahead we would be.
There are some educational models that do not seem to be able to
individualize or accommodate to individual needs. A cookie-cutter
approach to teaching, a rigidly defined time period with beginnings and
endings to instruction, a yardstick measuring "success" in terms of
standards and standardized tests are the breeding grounds of educational
disabilities for it is there that differences become disabling. It is
there that accommodations become nearly impossible. I hope there are not
many adult education programs like that.
Sorry this turned into something of a rant.
Tom Woods, Community High School of Vermont
<Do any of you work/learn in adult literacy programs where
accommodations are offered? If yes, we would love to hear about it!>
I can't imagine an adult literacy program that won't offer
accommodations?
Although we may not be prepared for any need that walks through the
door, we are responsive when we get the request and supportive
documentation. We do all we can to meet the necessary accommodations.
Jim Schneider
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 22:07:18 EDT
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Hi all,
The following question was posed on the Poverty, Race, Women and
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I wonder if adult learners who need accommodations, due to physical,
sensory, cognitive, or psychiatric reasons could "demand" these
accommodations? Does anyone on this list know the answer to this?
Do any of you work/learn in adult literacy programs where
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:22:17 -0700
From: "Nancie Payne" <napayne at worldnet.att.net>
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Okay - I'll offer a response to this question.
I wonder if adult learners who need accommodations, due to physical,
sensory, cognitive, or psychiatric reasons could "demand" these
accommodations? Does anyone on this list know the answer to this?
The answer is yes, as long as the request is reasonable and provides for
the
removable of a barrier which is the result of the disability. Under the
ADA
and Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act adult learners can access
reasonable accommodations. In most adult learning environments there
are
some basic "standards" procedurally in place for the request and
provision
of such accommodations and, if needed, the appropriate disability
documentation to justify the use of resources.
I am sure many have more to add - and I know there hare hundreds of
programs
throughout the country providing literacy and adult basic education
classes
that provide such reasonable accommodations.
Nancie Payne
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Hi all,
The following question was posed on the Poverty, Race, Women and
Literacy
Discussion List:
I wonder if adult learners who need accommodations, due to physical,
sensory, cognitive, or psychiatric reasons could "demand" these
accommodations? Does anyone on this list know the answer to this?
Do any of you work/learn in adult literacy programs where accommodations
are
offered? If yes, we would love to hear about it!
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:32:08 -0400
From: "Daphne Greenberg" <alcdgg at langate.gsu.edu>
Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1897] Re: Question Needing Response
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I am the facilitator of the Poverty, Race, Women, and Literacy
Discussion List and I thank Rochelle for posting this.
Here is one response that I just posted on my list:
There's a process for applying for accommodations on the GED, and the
TABE provides for them too. We try to give students the same
accommodations in class that they are likely to get on the GED, to the
extent that we can predict that. We are required to have the ADA posted
in every classroom and to make all reasonable accommodations. We locate
our classes in accessible buildings as much as possible, and we provide
tutors, audio/large print materials, color transparencies, line guides,
laptops with adaptability features, etc.. We screen for learning
differences and make referrals for further testing, get previous IEPs
from K12 with students' permission, and cooperate with whatever other
agencies students with special needs are working with. Adult education
is generally underfunded, and accommodations can be expensive, but as
much as possible, our agency works hard to provide suitable
accommodations to meet the needs of every learner.
Daphne Greenberg
Associate Professor
Educational Psych. & Special Ed.
Georgia State University
P.O. Box 3979
Atlanta, Georgia 30302-3979
phone: 404-413-8337
fax:404-413-8043
dgreenberg at gsu.edu
Daphne Greenberg
Associate Director
Center for the Study of Adult Literacy
Georgia State University
P.O. Box 3977
Atlanta, Georgia 30302-3977
phone: 404-413-8337
fax:404-413-8043
dgreenberg at gsu.edu
>>>>>> <RKenyon721 at aol.com> 04/01/08 10:07 PM >>>
>>>
>>>
Hi all,
The following question was posed on the Poverty, Race, Women and
Literacy
Discussion List:
I wonder if adult learners who need accommodations, due to physical,
sensory, cognitive, or psychiatric reasons could "demand" these
accommodations? Does
anyone on this list know the answer to this?
Do any of you work/learn in adult literacy programs where
accommodations are
offered? If yes, we would love to hear about it!
Does someone on our List want to answer the question so I can forward
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 00:17:08 -0400
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Accommodations should be offered in all locations . but the requirement
is
based on the acknowledgment that there is a disability
Glenn Young
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Hi all,
The following question was posed on the Poverty, Race, Women and
Literacy
Discussion List:
I wonder if adult learners who need accommodations, due to physical,
sensory, cognitive, or psychiatric reasons could "demand" these
accommodations? Does anyone on this list know the answer to this?
Do any of you work/learn in adult literacy programs where accommodations
are
offered? If yes, we would love to hear about it!
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your
response to them? If you are already a subscriber to that List - or
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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 08:33:39 -0400
From: "Tchalla Douglas" <TchallaD at darlington.k12.sc.us>
Subject: [LearningDisabilities 1899] Re: Question Needing Response
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I work at Darlington County Office of Adult Education as a Transition
Facilitator and we do provide some accommodations for our students who
have IEP's or 504 plans. We have an onsight special education teacher
and majority of her students fall in that category. I know during
testing we provide whatever accommodations the student's plan states.
Also, I noticed that our teachers will work one-on-one with students as
needed. Hopefully this helped.
T'challa Y. Douglas, MA, GCDF
Transition Specialist
Darlington County Adult Education
100 Magnolia Street
Darlington, SC 29532
843-398-2598 (phone)
843-395-8944 (fax)
tchallad at darlington.k12.sc.us
>>>>>> <RKenyon721 at aol.com> 04/01/08 9:07 PM >>>
>>>
>>>
Hi all,
The following question was posed on the Poverty, Race, Women and
Literacy
Discussion List:
I wonder if adult learners who need accommodations, due to physical,
sensory, cognitive, or psychiatric reasons could "demand" these
accommodations? Does
anyone on this list know the answer to this?
Do any of you work/learn in adult literacy programs where
accommodations are
offered? If yes, we would love to hear about it!
Does someone on our List want to answer the question so I can forward
your
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