Julie - 
Deborah D?Amico (NCSALL's The review of adult learning and literacy: 
Connecting research, policy, and practice Vol. 4) makes the same case to 
explain the race-based differences in earning power among GED achievers, 
arguing that ?gender and race trump skills? (p. 29) in the case of white 
men: White males already earned more than others who did not complete high 
school, by virtue of being white and male. 
But, as Janet Isserlis said so eloquently, there's much that needs to be 
untangled here...
Bill





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I agree with Bill too, but I am still curious about why the results were 
so different for African-American and white ex-offenders. When research 
shows a difference like this, it seems necessary to acknowledge that 
difference and search for the "why?"

Jereann King put it well: "Part of what teachers have to do is accept 
difference and the fact that there are many cultures. I think we also have 
to recognize the social and economic circumstances that historically 
contribute to the gaps in educational achievement and economic/social 
stability." 

What are the "social and economic circumstances" at work here, and how can 
we change them? Reasons for this difference could also relate to cultural 
differences, or from our society's perception of cultural differences. 
(Including, perhaps, the ex-con culture...) Do minorities have a higher 
bump in earnings with a GED because they they started at a lower point?

I would guess that average wages in any group are higher for whites than 
minorities, just as they are higher for men than women. It would be 
interesting to use the same data to compare male and female ex-offender 
GED holders vs. non-GED holders.

Julie

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World Education/NCSALL
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>>> Barbara Garner <b.garner4 at verizon.net> 11/29/06 7:58 AM >>>

Good point, Bill, I agree. The GED is a beginning, not an end point.

What is happening with post-secondary programs, pre- and/or post-release, 
these days? Are they seeing a lot of success?
Barb Garner


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Date: 2006/11/28 Tue PM 11:43:12 CST
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As I understand John Tyler's study,the signalling effect of the GED tends 
to benefit those who are least educatedand minority. These achievers enjoy 
higher wage earnings (although stillprobably at poverty-level) for three 
years after release from prison. Isthat such a negative finding? Should we 
expect the GED to be the "magicbullet" that solves the myriad of issues 
facing individuals returningto society: addictions, 
homelessness/renegotiating relationships with family,dangerous 
associations from the past, etc.?  For me the take awaypoints from John's 
study are: (a) emphasizing quality foundational literacylearning prior to 
GED credentialing programs, and (b) then providing adequatepostsecondary 
programs (e.g., AA degrees in vocational/technology) to enablenewly 
released people to find meaningful, entry-level skilledwork. The GED is 
not the problem. It's just not a panacea either.
-Bill
 
 



>>> Barbara Garner <b.garner4 at verizon.net> 11/29/06 7:58 AM >>>

Good point, Bill, I agree. The GED is a beginning, not an end point.

What is happening with post-secondary programs, pre- and/or post-release, 
these days? Are they seeing a lot of success?
Barb Garner


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From: William R Muth/FS/VCU <wrmuth at vcu.edu>
Date: 2006/11/28 Tue PM 11:43:12 CST
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while            in              prison


As I understand John Tyler's study,the signalling effect of the GED tends 
to benefit those who are least educatedand minority. These achievers enjoy 
higher wage earnings (although stillprobably at poverty-level) for three 
years after release from prison. Isthat such a negative finding? Should we 
expect the GED to be the "magicbullet" that solves the myriad of issues 
facing individuals returningto society: addictions, 
homelessness/renegotiating relationships with family,dangerous 
associations from the past, etc.?  For me the take awaypoints from John's 
study are: (a) emphasizing quality foundational literacylearning prior to 
GED credentialing programs, and (b) then providing adequatepostsecondary 
programs (e.g., AA degrees in vocational/technology) to enablenewly 
released people to find meaningful, entry-level skilledwork. The GED is 
not the problem. It's just not a panacea either.
-Bill
 
 



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I remember this article well, because the findingsare so disheartening for 
educators. An extensive query about the methodologywas conducted, but it 
couldn't be faulted. 

I'm very interested in the "why"-- is the stigma of prison outweighingthe 
usually positive (albeit small) effects of the GED?

Do minorities show a slight earnings gain because they start with suchlow 
earnings?
Does anyone have any insights ?
Barb Garner
Editor, Focus on Basics
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From: Daphne Greenberg <ALCDGG at langate.gsu.edu>
Date: 2006/11/28 Tue PM 01:55:10 CST
To: PovertyRaceWomen at nifl.gov
Subject: [PovertyRaceWomen 72] economic impact of earning a GED while in   
         prison

On the Focus on Basics list, Julie McKinney, the list moderator 
postedanother article which may be of interest to some of you:
What are the Economic Effects of Earning a GED in Prison?
http://www.ncsall.net/?id=822 
In case you don't feel like reading the whole article, the aspect thatI 
think is of interest to this listserv is that the study looked at 
thedifferences of the economic impact of earning a GED while in prison, 
betweenwhite and nonwhite ex-offenders: ?Among racial and ethnic minority 
offenders* primarily African Americans with a smaller number of Hispanics 
* we foundabout a 20 percent increase in the earnings among GED holders 
relativeto non-GED holders in the first post-release year. This effect 
declinedin the second year and by the third year it fell away to basically 
zero,?explains Tyler. ?We found that, for white offenders, there was no 
differencein the post-release earnings or employment for individuals who 
got a GEDversus those who did not.? 

Any thoughts/reactions?
Daphne


Daphne Greenberg
Assistant Professor
Educational Psych. & Special Ed.
Georgia State University
P.O. Box 3979
Atlanta, Georgia 30302-3979
phone: 404-651-0127
fax:404-651-4901
dgreenberg at gsu.edu

Daphne Greenberg
Associate Director
Center for the Study of Adult Literacy
Georgia State University
P.O. Box 3977
Atlanta, Georgia 30302-3977
phone: 404-651-0127
fax:404-651-4901
dgreenberg at gsu.edu

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