Ujwala--

Where could I get a copy of the manual?

AND is there still a way to access your  dissertation via the internet? 
  I can't find  my copy, and  your study is so full of life it is 
irresistible.  A URL?  And what are you doing, now?

THANKS!!

Andrea
On Jan 8, 2007, at 4:25 PM, Ujwala Samant wrote:


> Bertha,

>

> I agree, I've found Chambers closed, and has not been

> particularly women'friendly.

>

> Appropos Language: I've often wondered if in Freire's

> native Portuguese, the language was easier to access?

> I agree that the language is heavy and clunky.

> ActionAid wrote a REFLECT manual (it is their

> signature approach) based completely on Freire and it

> has been successful as an approach in Bangladesh,

> certain parts of Africa. I met David Archer and Sara

> Cottingham at the ILI conference (1995?) when they had

> just come out with the manual and learned how long it

> took them to come up with the approach, develop the

> manual and adapt it to Bangladeshi rural life, it was

> fascinating. Upon reading it, I found that whilst I

> quite liked the simplifications and a lot of what had

> been done, I didn't agree with their dismissing of

> other approaches, and some of their activities seemed

> kitschy. Yet, when I spoke to people who had used

> REFLECT, they said that it was my "academic cynicism"

> speaking because in the villages, people quite liked

> both the simple and complex terminologies.

>

> Language... a funny thing!

> Ujwala

>

>

>

>

> --- Bertha Mo <bertiemo at yahoo.com> wrote:

>

>> I'm going to wade in here.  I think Freire's

>> approach is wonderful, his writing dense and

>> intimidating.  I also belong to the PLAINlist serve,

>> which promotes plain, clear writing.

>>

>> Many of you have probably heard of Robert Chambers

>> and his participatory approach to development/

>> sometimes used in participatory approaches to

>> education., which I also admire, but with

>> reservations. After working with someone who was

>> trained in his methods, I was told  his tools are to

>> be used exactly as they are taught with no

>> adaptation even if they don't work in a particular

>> setting.  In addition, there is no effort to

>> outreach to the marginalize or those who might no

>> ordinarily be invited to participate in a local

>> assessment.

>> Your supposed to work with whomever the leaders have

>> invited.  In many settings, no women were invited

>> and he felt that was okay.

>>

>> A sociology undergraduate, and now a Ph.D. medical

>> anthropologist, I hate the pompous language used in

>> social science writing.  Yes, it is meant to exclude

>> others.

>>

>> Bertie Mo

>>

>>

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>>    1. [PovertyRaceWomen 207] Re: GED programs with a

>>       populareducationa pproach (Andrea Wilder)

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>> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:45:29 -0500

>> From: Andrea Wilder

>> Subject: [PovertyRaceWomen 207] Re: GED programs

>> with a

>>  populareducationa pproach

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>> Andres--

>>

>> It's the language that is associated with Freire,

>> and that Ditmar used,

>> some of it is quotations, I am sincerely grateful

>> for that.  I am also

>> grateful for Ditmar embedding  definitions in his

>> text.

>>

>> But to your point, with or without quotations these

>> word get my goat

>> (obviously):  class consciousness, class struggle,

>> conscientisation,

>> critical praxis, codification (which I actually

>> usually do like), and

>> pedagogical praxis.

>>

>> At one point Freire did go around   the bend, my

>> opinion, over  in

>> Africa, and started to dictate how his workbooks

>> were to be used. TSK.

>> Someone besides me picked this up, I was just

>> reading along and there

>> it was.

>>

>> By the way, I have I think  a CD of Freire talking

>> at Harvard's Ed

>> School.  That's ambiguous, I think it is a CD, I

>> know it is at HGSE.

>>

>> David Rosen's list of attributes in Freirian/popular

>> education teaching

>> was  profoundly human and adapted  to a pluralistic

>> American zeitgeist,

>> my opinion.

>>

>> I understand  Thoreau,  I live  near Walden Pond, I

>> know the New

>> England woods.  Of course we have somewhat the same

>> background, and

>> MAYBE those who come from S.America feel more of a

>> kinship with the

>> writing style of Freire.  Over to you, Andres.  (AND

>> WHERE IS THE

>> SNOW??  I need snow to fully appreciate Thoreau.)

>>

>> Andrea

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:32 AM, Muro, Andres wrote:

>>

>>>

>>> What language are you referring to?

>>> ?

>>>

>>> From: povertyracewomen-bounces at nifl.gov

>>> [mailto:povertyracewomen-bounces at nifl.gov] On

>> Behalf Of Andrea Wilder

>>> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 6:47 AM

>>> To: The Poverty, Race,Women and Literacy

>> Discussion List

>>> Subject: [PovertyRaceWomen 200] Re: GED programs

>> with a

>>> populareducationa pproach

>>> ?

>>> Ditmar and others,

>>> ?

>>> I must put up my small flag here: I absolutely

>> detest the language

>>> used in this educational movement. To me, it seems

>> foreign and laid on

>>> with a trowel. Am I for social empowerment? Of

>> course. Am I for social

>>> movements which try to being about even a modicum

>> of social justice?

>>> Absolutely.

>>> ?

>>> Back to the trenches,

>>> ?

>>> Andrea

>>> ?

>>> On Jan 8, 2007, at 7:33 AM, Muro, Andres wrote:

>>>> ?

>>>> Hi Ujwalla, David, Andrea, Ditmar:

>>>> ?

>>>> We did a project with our students that has

>> strong Freirian elements.

>>>> This is an ongoing project with migrant students

>> in which they write

>>>> their own stories and we publish them. to see

>> this project please

>>>> visit:

>>>> ?

>>>> http://bordersenses.com/memorias

>>>> ?

>>>> While the stories are written in Spanish most of

>> them have been

>>>> translated. If you want to read the content,

>> please click on each of

>>>> the books. Also, to understand the theoretical

>> foundation you can

>>>> read my introduction to both books. They are in

>> English. I kept the

>>>> introductions very simple without making?any

>> references, However, the

>>>> work is influenced by?Freire,Dewey, Giroux, etal.

>> You will see in the

>>>> intrductions the elements of Freirianism that

>> Ditmar points to.

>>>> ?

>>>> Andres

>>>> ?

>>>> From: povertyracewomen-bounces at nifl.gov on behalf

>> of

>>>> ditmar0906_inossian at netzero.net

>>>> Sent: Sat 1/6/2007 4:26 PM

>>>> To: povertyracewomen at nifl.gov

>>>> Subject: [PovertyRaceWomen 197] Re: GED programs

>> with a popular

>>>> educationa pproach

>>>>

>>>> ?

>>>> Yes, Project Hope's Adult Learners Program uses

>> (or did use) a

>>>> popular education approach that is

>> distinctly?Freireian, and this

>>>> program was the focus of Lorna's dissertation.

>> For

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