This is especially true for learning difficulties such as ADD/ADHD and
dyslexia.  Boys (especially boys of color) for years have been much more
likely to be diagnosed as having ADD/ADHD. And yet recent research
indicates that ADD/ADHD affects girls just as often, however, the
symptoms often times look different than in boys. Because girls don't
usually have the same behavior issues, they frequently go undiagnosed
and therefore untreated and fail to receive any help. I see many girls
at the Community College that I know have some kind of learning
difference, but who report that they have never been tested or
diagnosed, and yet have struggled all through school. If they weren't a
behavior problem in the classroom, they were over looked. 
Betsy

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Sadly, the problem extends beyond heart attacks. The world of psychology
has
had to reevaluate how some disorders are categorized as being most often
found in either males or females. Instead, it may be that the prevalence
of
the disorder in the other gender is under-reported, mostly due to
misdiagnosis. This started when they realized that men were suffering
from
eating disorders just like women. So, anorexia and bulimia was no longer
for
women only. This raised the question, well what about all of the
disorders
that we feel are common only in men. Some of these issues may be
addressed
when the APA publishes the DSM-V. 

So, we need to ensure that diagnostics are asexual and not predisposed
for
one gender or the other. Imagine being the man who develops breast
cancer or
the woman who has a heart attack and you or a loved one dies because of
the
misdiagnosis. Put your self in the position of someone suffering from a
mental disorder who goes undiagnosed because they are the wrong gender. 

John 


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Heart Attack Symptoms

It's not just that heart attack symptoms in women are not recognized.
The
symptoms are ignored by people in the ER.  A few years ago, Oprah had
three
women on her show who all had heart attacks and were sent home from the
ER.
There are many studies about how depending on ethnic/race, gender,
class,
people were differentially treated at ER, hospital, clinic.

Oprah's very interesting intervention was to have Dr. Dean Ornish on the
program to talk about prevention.

Best,

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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:54:56 -0500
From: David Rosen 
Subject: [PovertyRaceWomen 375] Recruiting and enrolling low-literate
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Poverty, Race and Women Discussion Colleagues,

A colleague has asked me to speak to a group of adult literacy education
teachers about how to serve "hard-to-reach," low-literate adults.  I  
solicit
your help in answering this question. I am interested in hearing about
your experience in "recruiting" or enrolling "hard-to-reach" adults with
low literacy skills. I am also interested in hearing from adult
learners, some of whom may be in your classes or may be people you
tutor, some of whom may be colleagues on this list.  Perhaps you could
share this question with teachers you work with and post their responses
or their learners' responses, or they could reply directly on this  
list or to me
by e-mail.

Of course, "hard-to-reach" could mean many things.  What does it mean to
you? And _serving_ hard-to-reach, low-literate adults might be an  
important
part of the answer to this question.  For example, if one of the reasons
adults with low literacy (or numeracy) skills don't step forward for
help is because they are hiding their reading writing or numeracy
disabilities or difficulties, then they will be reluctant to come to
classes in their community where others would find out.

So, from your experience, who are  "hard-to-reach"  low-literate adults,
and what has been effective in recruiting and enrolling them?

Thanks for your help.

David J. Rosen
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:39:20 -0500
From: Andrea Wilder 
Subject: [PovertyRaceWomen 376] Re: PovertyRaceWomen Digest, Vol 3,
 Issue 32 (reply to Andrea)
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Kearney--

No problem--turns out that (some) women have been misdiagnosed due to  
different physical patterns/symptoms of heart attacks.  Women's   
symptoms are more diffuse.  Quickness in decoding symptoms is related  
to  increases in life expectancy after heart attacks.

Andrea

Sorry my wording is so clumsy, I'm not quite going this morning.

aw

On Jan 21, 2007, at 6:49 PM, Kearney Lykins wrote:


> Andrea,

>

> Concerning,? "male/female differences in heart attack symptoms." What



> about them?? Defining medical symptoms and such is part of practicing



> medicine. I think I am missing the nature of your question, and? how  

> it relates to the topic of supposed gender bias in the sciences.

>

> ?Kearney

> ?

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: Andrea Wilder 

> To: "The Poverty, Race, Women and Literacy Discussion List"  

> 



> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 1:47:38 PM

> Subject: [PovertyRaceWomen 364] Re: PovertyRaceWomen Digest, Vol 3,  

> Issue 32 (reply to Andres Muro)

>

> Kearney,

>

> What about male/female differences in heart attack symptoms???The

> female symptoms have only recently been described.??I don't know who

> "discovered" the difference, male or female.

>

> Social science is built on 1)????description??2)????prediction.??That



> is,

> description in the aid of prediction. It is based on the discovery of

> patterns in data.??Someone "observed/"discovered that women showed

> different symptom patterns.

>

> The same for Gilligan's work--she noticed that half the sample showed

> different??patterns--women.??I'm only talking about observation, here,

> not prediction.

>

> If we are trying to find "truth," the 2+2 variety, then we must keep

> on--with the scientific method, which says really that "truth" may be

> provisional, we have to keep conclusions open.??the scientific method

> thus operates as a working principle.

>

> I have a favorite saying "Two Crows Denies??T his."??Google it.

>

> I think list servs??like this have great merit in that everybody is

> given space when just a few simple rules are followed.??So it is

> possible to say, Nope, I don't agree, and??here is why.??This is the

> Two??Crows response that??must be attended to if an accurate picture

is

> to be drawn.

>

> Depending on some characteristic, and it may be gender, different

facts

> may be spotted.

>

> Andrea

>

> On Jan 20, 2007, at 1:04 PM, Kearney Lykins wrote:

>

> > Concerning supposed gender bias in academia:

> >

> > ?

> >

> > I wrote: "None of my courses in mathematics, physics, chemistry,

> > biology, astronomy, and agronomy could be said to have had any  

> gender-

> > or race-specific leanings.?The subject matter simply was not

amenable

> > to such predispositions."

> >

> > ?

> >

> > What I mean by that is that there is no such thing as a male or  

> female

> > science. Sure, science is a social process that is ?constructed? by

> > flesh and blood participants, and historically those participants  

> have

> > been overwhelmingly male. And we are beginning to understand, to the

> > dismay of some scientists, that science is less objective than it

was

> > once perceived to be; that science has a rhetorical dimension. But

> > that doesn?t make the scientific method or its findings an

inherently

> > male product. It doesn?t change the shape of a galaxy or the  

> molecular

> > weight of an atom. It doesn?t make 2 + 2 anything but 4.

> >

> > ?

> >

> > Regardless, to study the influence of female scientists vs male

> > scientists is not the domain of the pure sciences. It is the domain



> of

> > sociology, or the philosophy of science, or the history of science,

> > the rhetoric of science etc? But I do think it is interesting to

> > ponder whether science would have turned out any differently had  

> women

> > been more involved in its development, and whether the essential  

> taste

> > of an apple pie is dependent upon the chromosomes of the baker.

> >

> >

> > Enjoying this discussion,

> >

> >

> > Kearney Lykins

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message ----

> > From: Andrew Pleasant 

> > To: "The Poverty, Race, Women and Literacy Discussion List"

> > 



> > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:29:09 PM

> > Subject: [PovertyRaceWomen 336] Re: PovertyRaceWomen Digest, Vol 3,

> > Issue 32 (reply to Andres Muro)

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > Writing in response to the commonly encountered suggestion:??"None

of

> > my courses in mathematics, physics, chemistry, biology, astronomy,  

> and

> > agronomy could be said to have had any gender- or race-specific

> > leanings.??The subject matter simply was not amenable to such

> > predispositions."

> >

> > I have not seen the reading lists for these courses. I wonder if

they

> > included writings by women like Rachel Carson, Sophia Brahe,

Rosalind

> > Franklin, Jane Colden, Jane Lubchenco, Barbara McClintock, Marie

> > Curie, or Sofia Kovalevskia? I hope so, but I admit I am skeptical.

> >

> > We cannot know for certain that the western and now dominant idea of

> > 'what science is' would differ if it were more inclusive. That is an

> > experiment we cannot run.

> >

> > We do know with certainty that only white men were allowed in Robert

> > Boyle's community of peers. These men were empowered to validate

> > science by witnessing the experimental method in action. They

> > established the model for what we now call science. I'll bet Boyle  

> was

> > included in the course readings, but was Hobbes (who disagreed with

> > Boyle and many suggest was actually correct)?

> >

> > We also know for certain that many female and deserving scientists

> > were and are not equally supported by the scientific community as

> > compared to their male counterparts (overall). This continues today.

> > Look at Ph.D. rates in the sciences in U.S. universities, the data

> > underpinning the U.S. National Institute of Health's need to create

> > efforts to ensure that women and minorities are included in all

human

> > subject research, recent comments from the now ex-president of  

> Harvard

> > University and resulting controversy, Rosalind Franklin, the  

> responses

> > to Rachel Carson within and from outside of the scientific

community,

> > etc.

> >

> > We may also be able to dig further into the notion that "The subject

> > matter simply was not amenable to such predispositions." That is a  

> bit

> > vague. I'd ask, is this statement grounded in a view that science is

> > an unbiased route to truth? (E.g., Karl Popper, logical

rationalists)

> >

> > If so, there is a large, peer-reviewed, and active research field  

> that

> > seems to have quite convincingly demonstrated that science is a  

> social

> > process. A social process inherently includes human self-interests,

> > personal leanings and curiosities, social disputes, power relations,

> > biases,??and a host of other influences. While no one can exactly

> > demonstrate how science would be different through broader

inclusion,

> > there is sound evidence that science is the result of who was and is

> > working within science as well as who controls the funding for

> > science.

> >

> > This does not necessarily weaken the validity of science (a

different

> > issue altogether), but there is very strong evidence that science is

> > definitely "amenable to such predispositions".

> >

> > fwiw as always, (and apologies for not having the time to write a

> > shorter, more readable reply)

> >

> > Andrew

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> Kearney,

>

>

> What about male/female differences in heart attack symptoms???The

> female symptoms have only recently been described.??I don't know who

> "discovered" the difference, male or female.

>

>

> Social science is built on 1)????description??2)????prediction.??That



> is,

> description in the aid of prediction. It is based on the discovery of

> patterns in data.??Someone "observed/"discovered that women showed

> different symptom patterns.

>

>

> The same for Gilligan's work--she noticed that half the sample showed

> different??patterns--women.??I'm only talking about observation, here,

> not prediction.

>

>

> If we are trying to find "truth," the 2+2 variety, then we must keep

> on--with the scientific method, which says really that "truth" may be

> provisional, we have to keep conclusions open.??the scientific method

> thus operates as a working principle.

>

>

> I have a favorite saying "Two Crows Denies??T his."??Google it.??

>

>

> I think list servs??like this have great merit in that everybody is

> given space when just a few simple rules are followed.??So it is

> possible to say, Nope, I don't agree, and??here is why.??This is the

> Two??Crows response that??must be attended to if an accurate picture

> is to be drawn.??

>

>

> Depending on some characteristic, and it may be gender, different

> facts may be spotted.

>

>

> Andrea

>

>

> On Jan 20, 2007, at 1:04 PM, Kearney Lykins wrote:

>

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> overwhelmingly male. And we are beginning to understand, to the dismay

> of some scientists, that science is less objective than it was once

> perceived to be; that science has a rhetorical dimension. But that

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