OK, so when we say "race" we are talking about those with black or dark  
skin whose ancestors, or themselves, came from Africa.  We are also  
talking about the history of many of these people with dark skin in  
this country, that is, their history of being enslaved.  Racism then  
would be????

Andrea

On Feb 22, 2008, at 5:52 PM, Daniel Rizik-Baer wrote:


>

> Race- based solely on the color of skin, it has more recently come to  

> signify a host of other characteristics.

>  

> A more apt description is Ethnicity- taking into account culture, and  

> geography, place of origin etc.

>  

>  

> I think defining is truly missing in so much discussion.

>  

> I cannot help, because of my sociological background, to notice when  

> Latinos refer to La Raza, when “latin” is an ethnicity- defined by a  

> mixture of European and indigenous origins. Brown has now become part  

> of our racial discourse, but the definition of brown also changes over  

> time. How many arabs are referred to as brown?  Most arabs,  

> historically, were actually considered “white.”

>  

> And on that subject, what is “white?”   Is it Aryan, Caucasian,  

> Anglo-Saxon?

>  

> Most anti- racists that I speak to say it is when your skin is light  

> colored. However, Jews have only recently become lumped into the  

> “white” category.

>  

> Black is a race, African-American is a name based on nationality but  

> is usually used to denote ethnicity.

>  

>  

>  

> I

>  

>

> From: povertyracewomen-bounces at nifl.gov  

> [mailto:povertyracewomen-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Andrea Wilder

> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 2:27 PM

> To: The Poverty, Race, Women and Literacy Discussion List

> Subject: [PovertyRaceWomen 1651] Re: Comments about oppression

>  

>

> OK, many have tossed the word RACE around. Everyone abhors RACISM.  

> Now--can we please define RACE? Please? Otherwise, I do feel that this  

> conversation will dissolve like fog under the sun, snow under road  

> salt, or whatever metaphor is appropriate.

>

>  Andrea

>

>  On Feb 22, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Dr. Kathleen P. King wrote:

> Daniel-

>  Wonderful articulation fo the complexity of these issues

>  Thank you for sharing your experiences and insights with us

>

>  And yes Eric, It pains me terrificly that it was the US flag flying  

> above those camps and that  if flies over some wars that this country  

> has been involved in.

>

>  Thank you both -

>  Kathy

>

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