Ideally, the reparation would be the return of lost property, but in
most cases it will have to be money.  There are some obvious properties
that could be part of the reparation:  plantations.  What the property
would be used for is up to the families, but I would argue that the
properties should be used for facilities that would benefit the entire
community:  free or sliding scale health centers, schools and colleges,
retirement facilities, research centers, etc.  Each of these would have
to focus on African-Americans in some way like research on sickle-cell,
etc. or tell the story of slavery and ethnic cleansing with a "never
again" message. 

 

How the money might be used is again up to the heirs, but I would
recommend a Marshall Plan approach to help African-Americans rebuild
blighted areas (the Ninth Ward, etc.), start businesses, etc. 

 

From: povertyracewomen-bounces at nifl.gov
[mailto:povertyracewomen-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Katherine
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 6:23 PM
To: The Poverty, Race,Women and Literacy Discussion List
Subject: [PovertyRaceWomen 1669] Re: Comments about oppression

 

Michael, can you explain how reparations for families of former slaves
entails?  I've read discussions about this, and I can't see how to do it
(with land) without there being more "reservations" and/or segregation
created.  Or are you talking about monetary reparations?  If so, how
does THAT work?  Where does the money come from?

 

Katherine Mercurio Gotthardt
www.luxuriouschoices.net 

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	From: Michael Tate <mailto:mtate at sbctc.edu>  

	To: The Poverty, Race,Women and Literacy Discussion List
<mailto:povertyracewomen at nifl.gov>  

	Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:03 PM

	Subject: [PovertyRaceWomen 1667] Re: Comments about oppression

	 

	Some of the money is in reparations which have STILL not been
paid to the families of  former slaves.  

	 

	Reparations  (small though they are) have been paid to some of
the interned Japanese.  Some effort (not really very much effort) has
been expended to return artworks and other property stolen by the Nazi.
Bayer, VW and some Swiss banks have been pestered about returning money,
paying off insurance  policies, paying wages to WW II slave laborers.
Korea and China have sought reparations from the Japanese for torture
and for sex slavery.  American Indians have, at least, been given tiny
bits of land and some competitive advantages.  

	 

	What is it that makes it so, so difficult for the US to pay
reparations to the families of former slaves?  

	 

	Why do we imprison so many Black men?  Why are their sentences
harsher and  longer?

	 

	Last week I watched "Banished" on PBS.  It was the story of two
Black families trying to get the land they lost to ethnic cleansing
back.   They weren't successful.

	 

	Why was the US doing ethnic cleansing of Blacks at the turn of
the 20th Century?

	 

	Why have there been so many lynchings, murders and rapes of
Blacks?   

	 

	Why is it for more than 400 years, the US has brutalized Black
men, women and children at nearly every turn?

	 

	 

	 

	Michael Tate

	 

	 

	 

	From: povertyracewomen-bounces at nifl.gov
[mailto:povertyracewomen-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Andrea Wilder
	Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 3:40 PM
	To: The Poverty, Race,Women and Literacy Discussion List
	Subject: [PovertyRaceWomen 1662] Re: Comments about oppression

	 

	OK, so racism is an ideology based on the spurious concept of
race, that attaches negative attributes to those defined by "race."
Under these negative attributes is greed--those on the other side gain
financially through the ideology of racism. --I have to put money in
here, it is my practice to ask, when a contentious issue rises its head,
"Where is the money in this problem?" OK, then why do we not enclose
this spurious concept in quotation marks to designate it as spurious? 

	 

	Andrea 

	 

	On Feb 22, 2008, at 6:05 PM, margery freeman wrote: 

		 

		In the work I do with The People's Institute, Andrea, we
define race historically.  We say that race is a specious (looking true
but actually false) classification of human beings created by Europeans
and white Americans in the 16th-18th centuries, that uses the notion of
"white" as the model of humanity, in order to establish and maintain
power.  Racism is the ideology, or belief system, based on race. 

		This isn't the way race is used in every day speech, but
it does help us understand how we've all been played. 

		Margery 

		 

		Andrea Wilder <andreawilder at comcast.net> wrote: 

			OK, many have tossed the word RACE around.
Everyone abhors RACISM. 

			Now--can we please define RACE? Please?
Otherwise, I do feel that 

			this conversation will dissolve like fog under
the sun, snow under road 

			salt, or whatever metaphor is appropriate. 

			 

			Andrea 

			 

			On Feb 22, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Dr. Kathleen P.
King wrote: 

			 

			> Daniel- 

			> Wonderful articulation fo the complexity of
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			> Thank you for sharing your experiences and
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