Now this is an excellent idea, and certainly ahead of my idea of  
burning plantations down.

Andrea

On Feb 25, 2008, at 11:39 AM, Michael Tate wrote:


> Ideally, the reparation would be the return of lost property, but in  

> most cases it will have to be money.  There are some obvious  

> properties that could be part of the reparation:  plantations.  What  

> the property would be used for is up to the families, but I would  

> argue that the properties should be used for facilities that would  

> benefit the entire community:  free or sliding scale health centers,  

> schools and colleges, retirement facilities, research centers, etc.   

> Each of these would have to focus on African-Americans in some way  

> like research on sickle-cell, etc. or tell the story of slavery and  

> ethnic cleansing with a “never again” message.

>  

> How the money might be used is again up to the heirs, but I would  

> recommend a Marshall Plan approach to help African-Americans rebuild  

> blighted areas (the Ninth Ward, etc.), start businesses, etc.

>  

> From: povertyracewomen-bounces at nifl.gov  

> [mailto:povertyracewomen-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Katherine

> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 6:23 PM

> To: The Poverty, Race,Women and Literacy Discussion List

> Subject: [PovertyRaceWomen 1669] Re: Comments about oppression

>  

> Michael, can you explain how reparations for families of former slaves  

> entails?  I've read discussions about this, and I can't see how to do  

> it (with land) without there being more "reservations" and/or  

> segregation created.  Or are you talking about monetary reparations?   

> If so, how does THAT work?  Where does the money come from?

>  

> Katherine Mercurio Gotthardt

> www.luxuriouschoices.net

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: Michael Tate

>> To: The Poverty, Race,Women and Literacy Discussion List

>> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:03 PM

>> Subject: [PovertyRaceWomen 1667] Re: Comments about oppression

>>  

>> Some of the money is in reparations which have STILL not been paid to  

>> the families of  former slaves. 

>>  

>> Reparations  (small though they are) have been paid to some of the  

>> interned Japanese.  Some effort (not really very much effort) has  

>> been expended to return artworks and other property stolen by the  

>> Nazi.  Bayer, VW and some Swiss banks have been pestered about  

>> returning money, paying off insurance  policies, paying wages to WW  

>> II slave laborers.   Korea and China have sought reparations from the  

>> Japanese for torture and for sex slavery.  American Indians have, at  

>> least, been given tiny bits of land and some competitive advantages. 

>>  

>> What is it that makes it so, so difficult for the US to pay  

>> reparations to the families of former slaves?  

>>  

>> Why do we imprison so many Black men?  Why are their sentences  

>> harsher and  longer?

>>  

>> Last week I watched “Banished” on PBS.  It was the story of two Black  

>> families trying to get the land they lost to ethnic cleansing back.   

>>  They weren’t successful.

>>  

>> Why was the US doing ethnic cleansing of Blacks at the turn of the  

>> 20th Century?

>>  

>> Why have there been so many lynchings, murders and rapes of Blacks?   

>>  

>> Why is it for more than 400 years, the US has brutalized Black men,  

>> women and children at nearly every turn?

>>  

>>  

>>  

>> Michael Tate

>>  

>>  

>>  

>> From: povertyracewomen-bounces at nifl.gov  

>> [mailto:povertyracewomen-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Andrea Wilder

>> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 3:40 PM

>> To: The Poverty, Race,Women and Literacy Discussion List

>> Subject: [PovertyRaceWomen 1662] Re: Comments about oppression

>>  

>> OK, so racism is an ideology based on the spurious concept of race,  

>> that attaches negative attributes to those defined by "race." Under  

>> these negative attributes is greed--those on the other side gain  

>> financially through the ideology of racism. --I have to put money in  

>> here, it is my practice to ask, when a contentious issue rises its  

>> head, "Where is the money in this problem?" OK, then why do we not  

>> enclose this spurious concept in quotation marks to designate it as  

>> spurious?

>>  

>> Andrea

>>  

>> On Feb 22, 2008, at 6:05 PM, margery freeman wrote:

>>>  

>>> In the work I do with The People's Institute, Andrea, we define race  

>>> historically.  We say that race is a specious (looking true but  

>>> actually false) classification of human beings created by Europeans  

>>> and white Americans in the 16th-18th centuries, that uses the notion  

>>> of "white" as the model of humanity, in order to establish and  

>>> maintain power.  Racism is the ideology, or belief system, based on  

>>> race.

>>> This isn't the way race is used in every day speech, but it does  

>>> help us understand how we've all been played.

>>> Margery

>>>  

>>> Andrea Wilder <andreawilder at comcast.net> wrote:

>>>> OK, many have tossed the word RACE around. Everyone abhors RACISM.

>>>> Now--can we please define RACE? Please? Otherwise, I do feel that

>>>> this conversation will dissolve like fog under the sun, snow under  

>>>> road

>>>> salt, or whatever metaphor is appropriate.

>>>>  

>>>> Andrea

>>>>  

>>>> On Feb 22, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Dr. Kathleen P. King wrote:

>>>>  

>>>> > Daniel-

>>>> > Wonderful articulation fo the complexity of these issues

>>>> > Thank you for sharing your experiences and insights with us

>>>> >

>>>> > And yes Eric, It pains me terrificly that it was the US flag  

>>>> flying

>>>> > above those camps and that  if flies over some wars that this  

>>>> country

>>>> > has been involved in.

>>>> >

>>>> > Thank you both -

>>>> > Kathy

>>>> >

>>>> >

>>>> > --

>>>> > Dr. Kathleen P. King, Professor of Education

>>>> > President, Transformation Education LLC

>>>> > Email: Transformationed at gmail.com  

>>>> > Tel (201) 916-0575  Fax  (201) 458-9736      

>>>> > "Lifelong Learning in a Digital Age"    

>>>> >

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