"So--is there one set of rules
for poor people? Is  there one set of rules for not poor people?"

LOL!  Yeah.  Rich people can say whatever they want and get away with it 
because they can afford lawyers!

Katherine Mercurio Gotthardt
www.luxuriouschoices.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrea Wilder" <andreawilder at comcast.net>
To: "The Poverty, Race,Women and Literacy Discussion List" 
<povertyracewomen at nifl.gov>
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 11:46 AM
Subject: [PovertyRaceWomen 2105] Re: Speaking about the unspoken,revealing 
the hidden



> Everyone:

>

> Different groups have different rules.  So--is there one set of rules

> for poor people?

>

> Is  there one set of rules for not poor people?  And what do we call

> these people?

>

> Many of these non-poor rules are passed along by members of this group

> so as to exclude others.  Many of them are used to bond members of the

> group.  One common way of testing others eligibility in one of the

> groups to which I belong, is to ask-"-What was your mother's maiden

> name?'  Or "What was  her mother's maiden name?"

>

> One of the best ways of understanding rules is by observation--see what

> people are doing, watch who talks to whom, mentally record the topics

> discussed, and observe who has the most authority in the group.

>

> Andrea

>

>

> On Apr 26, 2008, at 6:33 AM, David J. Rosen wrote:

>

>> Colleagues,

>>

>> I hope others are as interested in this idea of "hidden" or

>> "unspoken" rules as I am. If there isn't much of a response to this

>> posting, then I'll assume not, but I think this is at the heart of

>> what we should be discussing here -- "the hidden [or unspoken] rules

>> of persons living with the effects of poverty, the intersection of

>> these effects with gender and

>> race and the misunderstandings these can cause in the teaching/

>> learning process" specifically in the U.S.

>>

>> Common metaphors and expressions such as a "melting pot vs a mixed

>> salad", "glass ceilings", "acting white", and "making it" come to my

>> mind.

>>

>> I have a lot of questions. I hope you will tackle one or more of

>> them, especially 1 and 2 (together) and 3.

>>

>> 1. Are these hidden or unspoken rules:

>> a) key strategies for personal and family economic economic and/or

>> social advancement, (Ruby Payne) or

>> b) an implicit set of social, economic and political expectations

>> that keep people in their place, and what to do about them (Paolo

>> Freire) or

>> c) expectations for social acceptance in one's own or a different

>> community?

>>

>> 2. What exactly are the hidden or unspoken rules?  This conversation

>> will be more fruitful if we speak the unspoken, reveal the hidden,

>> make the implicit explicit.

>>

>> 3. What other metaphors or expressions point or speak to these hidden

>> or unspoken rules?

>>

>> 4. Who makes the rules? Or is this a loose metaphor for a set of

>> powerful expectations that act like "rules"?

>>

>> 5. Who hides the rules, or doesn't speak about them?

>>

>> 6. To whom do the rules apply? Poor people? Low-income people?

>> African Americans? Women? Immigrants? Those who have not completed

>> high school? Others?

>>

>> 7. Do the same rules apply in the same way to all these groups, or

>> are there some differences depending on what group we are talking

>> about? For example, are the rules different for poor women than they

>> are for poor men, different for African Americans who were born in

>> the U.S. than for immigrants? Or are the rules the same?

>>

>> 8. Once we have a clearer idea of what the unspoken or hidden rules

>> are, and to whom they apply, what does this have to do with teaching

>> and learning in adult literacy education?

>>

>> If you believe there are hidden or unspoken rules, and that this is

>> important to discuss, what you think the rules are. What do you think

>> Ruby Payne thinks the rules are? What do you think Paolo Freire

>> thought they were?

>>

>>   David J. Rosen

>> djrosen at comcast.net

>>

>>

>>

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