I thought best selling authors were rich.  Besides, where did he get the 
money to visit all these places and then fund a school?

Katherine Mercurio Gotthardt
www.luxuriouschoices.net
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From: "Andrea Wilder" <andreawilder at comcast.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:26 AM
Subject: [PovertyRaceWomen 2135] Re: Mastery



> Katherine:

>

> The guy isn't rich.  Where did that come from?

>

> Andrea

>

> On Apr 29, 2008, at 11:05 AM, Katherine wrote:

>

>> " Real education, not just information

>> and skills development, now that is what I call

>> radical, and there are precious few who actually have

>> the courage to do it."

>>

>> AMEN.

>>

>> However, in defense of Mortenson, it could be his best seller is what

>> keeps

>> funding these schools.  If I had a best seller and were rich, I'd keep

>> earning money so I could give more away : )

>>

>> Katherine Mercurio Gotthardt

>> www.luxuriouschoices.net

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: "Ujwala Samant" <lalumineuse at yahoo.com>

>> To: "The Poverty, Race,Women and Literacy Discussion List"

>> <povertyracewomen at nifl.gov>

>> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:53 AM

>> Subject: [PovertyRaceWomen 2128] Re: Mastery

>>

>>

>>> I work for an NGO where that is what we do. We have 75

>>> schools in the NWFP region of Pakistan, all owned and

>>> run by villagers. And aside from us, there are plenty

>>> of local people who have done this, in the face of

>>> serious opposition. But they have not had millionaire

>>> godparents, nor bestsellers written about their work.

>>> They just get on with what they see as necessary and

>>> crucial for development. I am not undermining what

>>> Mortenson did. But there are others, local unsung

>>> people such as the founder of KHOJ, Ms Nasira Habib

>>> who have done this  despite regular threats from local

>>> landlords, thugs in highly traditional Pakistani

>>> society. Now that, is radical! And the education her

>>> communities receive, I wish my own son had. Her first

>>> two graduates (women) stood for local elections amidst

>>> much opposition. Real education, not just information

>>> and skills development, now that is what I call

>>> radical, and there are precious few who actually have

>>> the courage to do it.

>>>

>>> Cheers,

>>> Ujwala

>>>

>>>

>>> --- Katherine <kgotthardt at comcast.net> wrote:

>>>

>>>> So you ladies don't think there is ANYTHING

>>>> revolutionary about going back

>>>> and opening a school?  That's pretty radical in my

>>>> mind.  It's out of the

>>>> ordinary.  It's EXTRAORDINARY in fact.

>>>>

>>>> Katherine Mercurio Gotthardt

>>>> www.luxuriouschoices.net

>>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>> From: "Andrea Wilder" <andreawilder at comcast.net>

>>>> To: "The Poverty, Race,Women and Literacy Discussion

>>>> List"

>>>> <povertyracewomen at nifl.gov>

>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:51 AM

>>>> Subject: [PovertyRaceWomen 2124] Re: Mastery

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> Ujwala--

>>>>>

>>>>> Yes, he was extremely lucky.  As I recall, the

>>>> porter who rescued him

>>>>> had knowledge of western ways, so Mortenson was

>>>> somewhat understood, as

>>>>> a person and as an acceptable member of his

>>>> western group--he was not

>>>>> an oddball.  There were  other factors specific to

>>>> Mortenson that

>>>>> enabled him to do what he did--beyond luck, and

>>>> having to do with his

>>>>> background.

>>>>>

>>>>>  He was also captured and (briefly) imprisoned

>>>> when he did NOT follow

>>>>> the rules.  He got out of imprisonment when he DID

>>>> follow the rules.

>>>>>

>>>>> Read the book.

>>>>>

>>>>> Andrea

>>>>>

>>>>> On Apr 29, 2008, at 2:29 AM, Ujwala Samant wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Andrea,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> That's the book I am struggling to read, to get

>>>> into.

>>>>>> I give him full marks for adapting, that must

>>>> have

>>>>>> been extremely hard; given the mountains, the

>>>> culture

>>>>>> and the language. I also think he was extremely

>>>> lucky

>>>>>> to have found the welcome he received, given

>>>> those

>>>>>> areas.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Cheers

>>>>>> Ujwala

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> --- Andrea Wilder <andreawilder at comcast.net>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Ujwala--

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Greg Mortenson of "Three Cups of Tea" succeeded

>>>>>>> because he was able to

>>>>>>> learn the rules, I think his story is pretty

>>>>>>> dramatic;  shows what can

>>>>>>> be accomplished when some one has the diligence

>>>> and

>>>>>>> desire to learn how

>>>>>>> to behave properly in order to get a job done.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Andrea

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2008, at 6:18 PM, Ujwala Samant

>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Just noted a typo my post. It should read, "We

>>>>>>> call

>>>>>>>> people by their first names." Or, "It's normal

>>>> to

>>>>>>> call

>>>>>>>> people by their first names."

>>>>>>>> Ujwala

>>>>>>>> --- Daniel Rizik-Baer <drizikbaer at gmail.com>

>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Ujwala-

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> "> I think everyone knows the hidden rules,

>>>> they

>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>> just not in plain site.

>>>>>>>>>> Knowing that they are there is a big step

>>>>>>> towards

>>>>>>>>>> understanding.<<

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I think there is a huge leap of faith in the

>>>>>>> first

>>>>>>>>> statement. Rules are learned, through

>>>>>>> observation,

>>>>>>>>> education and interaction. How many of our

>>>>>>> learners

>>>>>>>>> have positive, direct, educational interaction

>>>>>>> upon

>>>>>>>>> arrival? "We don't ask someone their age or

>>>>>>> income."

>>>>>>>>> comes to mind. "We don't call everyone by

>>>> their

>>>>>>>>> first

>>>>>>>>> name." When asked "How're you doing?" it is

>>>> not

>>>>>>> an

>>>>>>>>> invitation to discuss your state of mind or

>>>>>>> being. I

>>>>>>>>> could go on..... I think there are things to

>>>> be

>>>>>>>>> learned through interaction, and some through

>>>>>>>>> teaching."

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> What I meant is much closer to what you

>>>>>>> described.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> What I mean is that people know the hidden

>>>> rules,

>>>>>>>>> and yet do not know that

>>>>>>>>> they know them, Things as simple as which hand

>>>> to

>>>>>>>>> shake hands with, or many

>>>>>>>>> other things that are cultural that may seem

>>>>>>>>> "natural," but in fact are

>>>>>>>>> socially constructed.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> So just as you said, rules are learned- but

>>>>>>> people

>>>>>>>>> learn them without really

>>>>>>>>> realizing they are being socialized into a

>>>>>>>>> particular culture.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> This is why I think it is so important for our

>>>>>>> youth

>>>>>>>>> to have the opportunity

>>>>>>>>> for world travel- to see how other cultures

>>>>>>> express

>>>>>>>>> their humaness, to see

>>>>>>>>> the simliarties and differences in how people

>>>>>>> live

>>>>>>>>> their lives may help our

>>>>>>>>> youth to open their minds to see how their

>>>> lives

>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> socially constucted at

>>>>>>>>> home.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Like Katherine said:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> "We don't ask someone their age or income."

>>>>>>>>> comes to mind. "We don't call everyone by

>>>> their

>>>>>>>>> first

>>>>>>>>> name." When asked "How're you doing?" it is

>>>> not

>>>>>>> an

>>>>>>>>> invitation to discuss your state of mind or

>>>>>>> being.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> *I mean, if someone asks how you are, why

>>>> should

>>>>>>> you

>>>>>>>>> hide how you are

>>>>>>>>> feeling?

>>>>>>>>> If I ask, don't I really want to know?  If I

>>>>>>> don't,

>>>>>>>>> then I shouldn't bother

>>>>>>>>> asking!*

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Well yes, if we took the statement at face

>>>> value.

>>>>>>>>> But imagine if for

>>>>>>>>> everyone you said "how are you doing?" to,

>>>> they

>>>>>>>>> actually told you about

>>>>>>>>> their life, allo the trials and tribulations

>>>> etc.

>>>>>>> We

>>>>>>>>> would never get through

>>>>>>>>> our day!  It has become a greeting that means

>>>>>>>>> "hello" while appearing to

>>>>>>>>> show caring, which I do not think is

>>>> necessarily

>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>> bad thing. Certain people

>>>>>>>>> really do want to know- close friends and

>>>> family.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> *True we don't call everyone by their first

>>>> name,

>>>>

>>> === message truncated ===

>>>

>>>

>>>

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