Sorry I'm late responding but I just got into the office after a morning of 
conference calls and family business.

Let me start by saying that the last 8 years of research has given NCSALL 
some insights into what might work to increase persistence, but we don't 
yet have proof that the changes in program services that these insights 
suggest lead to increased persistence.  However, I feel we have some of the 
best available advice. That advice suggests two broad approaches, one is to 
add supports to persistence in our existing programs and the other suggests 
adding those supports to programs that are designed to fit with the 
existing patterns of participation.  The first approach is incremental and 
less expensive. That second requires changes in policy, funding, 
accountability, and service delivery.

Now to Marie Cora's two questions:

1.  Goals:  The quantitative aspect of our research showed a correlation 
between students who were able to state a specific goal for attending (they 
persisted longer) and those who stated a vague goal or no goal at all (they 
persisted less).  So we explored the goals of students and found that they 
usually expressed both an instrumental goal ("I want to get my GED, so I 
can get a better job" for example) and a transformational goal (I want to 
be the kind of person who has a high school education," for example). Many 
programs ask students at intake to state their goals, which is probably 
helpful. But, it might be helpful to weave the goal setting process into 
instruction as well. In this way, students can have some time to think 
about what they want and why they want it. Learner-produced reading 
materials, which many programs produce, at least in small quantities, might 
be useful in this process, but informal dialogue and writing about goals 
might work just as well. Any activities that help students articulate their 
instrumental and transformational goals, and revisit them as part of 
instruction, probably adds this support to persistence.

2.  Stopout: In our interviews, students who had dropped out told us that 
their program would not allow them to return after they stopped attending, 
but the staff in their programs said this was not true and we observed 
students returning and being welcomed back into the program. The 
misconception started at intake and orientation, when staff emphasized good 
attendance. Our longitudinal study is identifying a pattern of 
participation in learning that is made up of episodes of participation in 
programs and episodes of self-study.  Our research suggests that a support 
to persistence would making sure that new students know that they can 
stopout and also know how to reenter. However, we might do better to change 
the form of participation to one that links episodes of program 
participation and self study.



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>

>> From: "Marie Cora" <marie.cora at hotspurpartners.com>

>> Date: July 10, 2006 10:02:17 AM EDT

>> To: <specialtopics at nifl.gov>

>> Subject: [SpecialTopics 90] Re: Persistence Discussion questions

>> Reply-To: specialtopics at nifl.gov

>>

>> Dear Colleagues,

>>

>> Thanks so much to John Comings for being with us this week to discuss

>> Persistence.  I am very much looking forward to hearing what

>> strategies

>> folks use out there to try and tackle this issue with their students.

>>

>> I actually have two questions for you (and list subscribers):  I am

>> interested in hearing you elaborate a bit on the impact of having the

>> student set his or her own goals, and how best to help them to do

>> that.

>> It's quite easy to set a student's goal for her/him - but not so

>> easy to

>> get a student to determine a goal for her/himself.  What are some

>> of the

>> things that folks do around this issue?

>>

>> Second, I heard you speak at a conference last fall in which you noted

>> that part of what could be helpful in persistence, is to acknowledge

>> that the student might not persist.  In other words, why not explore

>> with the student the reality that if they do "stop out", this doesn't

>> have to mean "quit".  I found this fascinating and at the same time,

>> completely logical.  This appears to be part of what you intend in

>> your

>> third area of research based on what I've read.

>>

>> Thank you again for your time this week and for the discussion.

>>

>> Marie Cora

>> NIFL Assessment Discussion List Moderator

>> marie.cora at hotspurpartners.com

>>

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: specialtopics-bounces at nifl.gov

>> [mailto:specialtopics-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of David Rosen

>> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 7:37 AM

>> To: specialtopics at nifl.gov

>> Subject: [SpecialTopics 89] Re: Persistence Discussion

>>

>> Dear Colleagues,

>>

>> Today we begin a discussion about the studies which Dr. John Comings

>> and others at the National Center for the Study of Adult Learning and

>> Literacy have done on persistence.  The discussion will continue

>> through Tuesday next week, July 18th.

>>

>> Please post your questions and comments to John beginning now.

>>

>> In John's message below he describes two publications which may be of

>> interest.  Each has a short executive summary.   There is also a 30-

>> minute video panel discussion about the study, with John and two

>> practitioners, streamed at:

>>

>> http://www.nifl.gov/nifl/webcasts/persistence/persistence_cast.html

>>

>> You may need to cut and paste the whole web address in your browser,

>> or you could try this shorter version:

>>

>> http://tinyurl.com/s6tcu

>>

>> Macintosh users will need to select the Quicktime format for viewing

>> the presentation, and there are still some bugs to be worked out of

>> the Mac streamed version.

>>

>> David J. Rosen

>> Special Topics Discussion List Moderator

>> djrosen at comcast.net

>>

>> On Jul 5, 2006, at 4:33 PM, David Rosen wrote:

>>

>>> Special Topics List Discussion Colleagues,

>>>

>>> John Comings, Director of the National Center for the Study of Adult

>>> Learning and Literacy, will join us on July 10th to discuss the

>>> persistence study he has done. John has written an introduction,

>>> below, and included links to reports of the first two phases of the

>>> study. I hope you can read these before July 10th.  You are welcome

>>> to submit questions, ideas and comments for John beginning now, but

>>> these will not be posted until July 10th.

>>>

>>> i am looking forward to your joining in on this important discussion.

>>>

>>> David J. Rosen

>>> Special Topics Discussion List Moderator

>>> djrosen at comcast.net

>>> --------------

>>>

>>> When a group of us at World Education were preparing to write the

>>> proposal for the funds that have supported NCSALL, we surveyed

>>> practitioners and policy makers around the country to help us design

>>> our research agenda. Almost 500 people participated in the survey. We

>>> asked the survey participants to send us the questions that they

>>> wanted answered to help them improve practice in ABE, ESOL, and GED

>>> programs. One question was at the top of the list for teachers and

>>> second on everyone else's list. One teacher phrased it this way,

>>> "Just when they begin to make progress, many students leave the

>>> program.   How can I keep those students long enough that they can

>>> meet their educational goals?"

>>>

>>> That question formed the basis of a three-phase study of persistence.

>>> The first two phases are complete.  The first phase surveyed the

>>> literature, interviewed 150 students in the six New England states,

>>> and identified ways that programs were trying to support the

>>> persistence of their students. The report of that first phase can be

>>> found at:

>>>

>>> <http://www.ncsall.net/fileadmin/resources/research/report12.pdf>

>>>

>>> In the second phase, 9 library literacy programs were provided with

>>> funds to implement interventions that might help improve persistence,

>>> and our study team observed the programs and interviewed their staff

>>> and students. We also followed a cohort of 180 students for 14

>>> months.  The report of that second phase can be found at:

>>>

>>> <http://www.mdrc.org/publications/401/overview.html>

>>>

>>> We are prepared to implement the third phase, but NCSALL no longer

>>> has funding to begin a new research project. This next phase would

>>> test three interventions. One would add persistence supports to

>>> existing classroom programs, one would use a wide range of modes of

>>> learning (in programs and through self study on-line and in other

>>> ways) that more closely match the way adults manage their learning,

>>> and the third would combine these two approaches. I believe the third

>>> approach is a promising way to solve the persistence problem, as well

>>> as it can be solved.

>>>

>>> I'm looking forward to your questions, but I would also be interested

>>> in practical ideas of how to build support to persistence and how to

>>> expand opportunities for learning.

>>>

>>> John Comings, NCSALL Director

>>> National Center for the Study of Adult Learning and Literacy

>>> Harvard Graduate School of Education

>>> 7 Appian Way

>>> Cambridge MA 02138

>>> (617) 496-0516, voice

>>> (617) 495-4811, fax

>>> (617) 335-9839, mobile

>>> john_comings at harvard.edu

>>> http://ncsall.gse.harvard.edu

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

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John Comings, Director
National Center for the Study of Adult Learning and Literacy
Harvard Graduate School of Education
7 Appian Way
Cambridge MA 02138
(617) 496-0516, voice
(617) 495-4811, fax
(617) 335-9839, mobile
john_comings at harvard.edu
http://ncsall.gse.harvard.edu