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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=fuchsia face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:fuchsia'>What is the hypothesis
behind your correlation between rolling over, scooting, crawling and level of
math literacy achieved?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> specialtopics-bounces@nifl.gov
[mailto:specialtopics-bounces@nifl.gov] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>steinkedb@earthlink.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September 20, 2007
3:03 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> specialtopics@nifl.gov<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [SpecialTopics 712] Re:
Productive disposition</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Melvin: What
specifically edludes them? Can they do single digit addition OK? Is
multiplication OK? Does the breakdown come at subtraction and division? If so,
are their answers in subtraction off by 1 all the time? I have an idea of
how to get started with them if this last is true.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Another thing:
Ask if they can ask a parent how they moved as an infant. Did they roll over
and over or scoot on their bottom and never crawl?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
specialtopics-bounces@nifl.gov [mailto:specialtopics-bounces@nifl.gov]<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Melvin Rice<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September 20, 2007
12:04 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> specialtopics@nifl.gov<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [SpecialTopics 710] Re:
Productive disposition<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Tahoma'>Kansas City</span></font></st1:PlaceName><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Kansas</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Community College</st1:PlaceType></span></font></st1:place><font
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href="mailto:melvinr@kckcc.edu">melvinr@kckcc.edu</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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>>> <steinkedb@earthlink.net> 9/20/2007 8:57 AM >>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>About test
anxiety and "productive disposition":<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Melvin - My
comments about Part/Whole concept are based on work by Les Steffe (emeritus of
the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType> of
<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Georgia</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>) and others.
There may be other developmental concepts besides Part/Whole that your
"dyscalculia" students missed somewhere along the line. Can you give
a description of the specific things your students seem unable to do? (I'm
assuming your students are of normal mental development and have not had
traumatic brain injury.) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Hi Dorothea,</span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Now keep in mind
that I am no diagnostician, but a simple ABE math instructor. That being said,
The students I am thinking of are of average or higher
intelligence. However the basics of math such as number sense, basic math
facts, and simple computation constantly evade them. For the past year, not
only have I worked with them one-on-one as well as a traditional class setting,
but I have also had a math tutor working with them. They appear to grasp a
concept while working with it and then a few minutes later it is gone.
This does not happen with them in other disciplines, only math. I have seen one
of the students come to tears in frustration over not being able to retain what
was just covered minutes earlier. I have been using several of the
techniques picked up from the TIAN sessions I have attended, such as
calculators, manipulatives, and other hands-on material as well as the EMPower
books and this seems to be helping some. I really found the article by Dr.
Kenyon which I referenced in my earlier post to be enlightening and provide
another framework in which to view students who struggle with math.</span></font><font
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Melvin</span></font><font
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