Hi everybody:  I've enjoyed this discussion.  Thanks to the Alex and
David for leading this discussion.  Also all those that participated.  

I think the discussion on the handhelds are great I'd like to see TV411
and English for all available for these devices.  But I think we are
focusing on the devices and what needs to happen is more use of the
products themselves.  I hear the folks from "TV411" and "English for
All" saying that there are cost involved in to make their products for
the new devices.  Is it worth the expense to branch out to this new
arena if these products aren't used fully in their present forms?  I
guess that's their decision. They will look at it as branching out into
new territory, I suppose.  

But even without the devices we can and should continue to grow the use
of the video products in ABE.

I'd like to share these links to search for Podcast:
http://www.podcast.net/ and videos http://www.blinkx.tv/.  I also like
www.video.google.com where it was recently announced they now have video
from the National Archives. Yes all of these video's can be downloaded
to a device but why not use them in class and lab settings thru the PC
now before the devices take off. 

I'm also encouraged by the discussion to put this programming on Cable
-- pay per view, at low or no cost.  As a Regional Technologist for
SABES in MA. I've had the opportunity to work with programs trying to
understand and use technology in their programs with their students.  I
know here in my region I have an adult education program that arranged
to have a number of the video series broadcast on the local channel.  It
took over a year to get this all arranged with their launching happening
shortly, thanks to all their hard work and persistence. But after all
this work it's only available to those in the city - Worcester, MA and
not to surrounding town that have the same cable company. It would have
been nice to get this on Cable for the entire region. 

Eunice Snay
Regional Technologist for Central SABES
508-854-4514
esnay at qcc.mass.edu



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John, and others

I agree that M-learning has focused on the means of delivery.  But  
with this new, mobile access we must also start thinking about "just- 
in-time"  adult learning, particularly for work-sponsored basic  
skills learning.

The learning must be contextualized ("embedded" in the U.K.) to  
industry and worker needs.  It must be standards-based, using adult  
education standards (e.g. Equipped for the Future, and or SCANS adult  
education standards in the U.S.) and industry skills standards). It  
must be "modularized," that is, with specific learning units (in the  
online environment these may be called "learning objects" ) which can  
all add up to a large scope and sequence curriculum enabling people  
to acquire basic skills -- and credentials for advancement at work.

If this is properly modularized, and online, the "modules" or  
"learning objects" can also be (re)organized to meet specific  
_immediate learning needs_ for tasks needed for work. For example, a  
hospital worker realizes (perhaps her supervisor points out) that she  
needs better work-related writing skills.  She can't or doesn't want  
to wait until the next class is offered.  She finds online the (mix  
of) modules related to _hospital writing_   and downloads these to  
her portable learning device (PLD) -- and on the subway/tube the next  
day, mp3, pencil and pad of paper in her lap, begins working on  
lessons on hospital record-keeping, memos and reports.

We should be exploring the potential for M-learning to enhance work- 
contextualized, just-in-time, basic skills learning.  I wonder if  
anyone is.

David

David J. Rosen
Newsome Associates
djrosen at comcast.net


On Mar 3, 2006, at 6:34 AM, John Nissen wrote:


> Hi David,

>

> I followed up your link, and came upon this nicely annotated list: 

> http://www.e-learningcentre.co.uk/eclipse/Resources/mlearning.htm

> However I've not found the use of mobile devices changes the method of



> teaching or learning - it only changes the means of delivery and the 

> convenience for the student.  Does anybody know of exceptions?

>

> I was a seminar on IT for schools earlier this week.  A student at the



> seminar said that probably the most useful thing about mobile

> devices to the

> student is to be able to read e-text (or listen to it) on the bus,  

> train or

> tube/subway.  But there is a significant lack of student e-books.   

> This lack

> arises directly from the copyright issue, and need for publishers and

> authors to obtain revenue.  There has been a revolution in the music

> industry, where downloading is accepted now - will we see one in the

> publishing industry?  What will be the new business model?

>

> Cheers from Chiswick,

>

> John

>

> John Nissen

> Cloudworld Ltd - http://www.cloudworld.co.uk

> maker of the assistive reader, WordAloud.

> Try WordAloud with synthetic phonics: 

> http://www.cloudworld.co.uk/teaching-synthetic-phonics.htm

> Tel: +44 208 742 3170  Fax: +44 208 742 0202

> Email: info at cloudworld.co.uk

>

>

>

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> To: "The Technology and Literacy Discussion List"

> <technology at nifl.gov>

> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:02 PM

> Subject: Re: [Technology] Handheld video devices

>

>

>> Marian, David Alex or others,

>>

>> I think we will see affordable portable learning devices (PLDs) soon,

>> and that we should be experimenting with them now.  For those of us

>> who are able to buy one now, what would you recommend?  What are some

>> useful mobile phone + Web access + PDA devices which also have plug

>> in (regular size) keyboards and plug in portable monitors?

>>

>> And, where are the free learning podcast sites (ideally for adults) .

>>

>> Here's a web site for learning more about "ubi-learning"  (ubiquitous

>> learning) or "M-learning" (mobile learning), as this kind of thing is

>> now being called, which provides some answers to my questions, but I

>> wonder if anyone on this list has personal experience experimenting

>> with m-learning and has recommendations on the best device(s) and

>> learning web sites for this.

>>

>> http://gseacademic.harvard.edu/%7Ehdul/

>>

>> What other web-based resources for m-learning would you recommend?

>>

>> David J. Rosen

>> djrosen at comcast.net

>>

>>

>> On Mar 2, 2006, at 2:02 AM, Marian Thacher wrote:

>>

>>> The short segments of TV411 videos would be ideal for a video  

>>> iPod, it

>>> seems. Have you tried it out, Alex?

>>>

>>> OTAN is experimenting with posting some of our videos of good

>>> classroom

>>> practices as podcasts. We aren't quite ready for prime time yet,

>>> but not

>>> many of our teachers have video iPods yet either, so I figure we

>>> have a

>>> little time. :)

>>>

>>> We've also talked about putting the video episodes of English for  

>>> All

>>> (www.myefa.org) up as podcasts. As you said, though, the barrier is

>>> the

>>> cost of the iPod or the cell phone charges for the student or end

>>> user. On

>>> the other hand, it seems that more and more people have fancy cell

>>> phones

>>> that include video, so maybe this is the wave of the future.

>>>

>>> Talk about convenience! I certainly think that podcasting of audio

>>> to mp3

>>> players is going to make audio information so much more accessible,

>>> and

>>> there is so much great free stuff available! Education is starting

>>> to jump

>>> on this bandwagon. Can video be far behind?

>>>

>>> Marian Thacher

>>> OTAN

>>> Sacramento, CA

>>>

>>> The Technology and Literacy Discussion List <technology at nifl.gov> on

>>> Wednesday, March 01, 2006 at 10:34 AM -0800 wrote:

>>>> David,

>>>>

>>>> Great list.  I've been thinking a lot about how video I-pods and

>>>> other

>>>> handheld video devices (including cellphone/PDA's) could be used

>>>> in adult

>>>> education.  I've heard a lot about entertainment and commercial

>>>> applications

>>>> but have discovered very little about educational uses.

>>>>

>>>> When we created TV411 we designed it as at as a collection of

>>>> stand-alone

>>>> segments - 30 seconds to 6 minutes in length.  Although TV411  

>>>> airs on

>>>> television as a half-hour show, we have been busy disaggregating  

>>>> the

>>>> material for other venues and platforms, and I think mobile video

>>>> will

>>>> certainly be an additional platform for us in the future.

>>>>

>>>> Obvious advantages of mobile video technology are portability  

>>>> and the

>>>> potential for on-demand content to facilitate anytime/anyplace

>>>> learning.

>>>>

>>>> A big concern is the financial cost to user, particularly potential

>>>> cell/video phone charges.

>>>>

>>>> How might such a resource be a useful supplement to formal

>>>> instruction?

>>>>

>>>> Are there other curriculum developers out there who are designing

>>>> adult

>>>> educational material for mobile video devices?  If so, what kinds

>>>> challenges

>>>> are you facing?

>>>>

>>>> Alex Quinn

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> A serious concern is the potential financial cost to the end user.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> On 3/1/06 8:30 AM, "David Rosen" <djrosen at comcast.net> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> David and Alex,

>>>>>

>>>>> Here's a list of new or emerging technologies, applications, or

>>>>> technology-related services that I think -- or have heard from

>>>>> others

>>>>> that they think -- have potential for adult literacy education.

>>>>> What

>>>>> would you add to this list?  Pick a couple (or more) from the list

>>>>> that you think have a lot of potential and tell us why.

>>>>>

>>>>> 1. electronic white boards

>>>>> 2. Video (and audio) i-pods

>>>>> 3. mobile phones with Web access

>>>>> 4. wireless access

>>>>> 5. Internet2

>>>>> 6. wikis

>>>>> 7. blogs

>>>>> 8. the OLPC/Negroponte/MIT Media Lab (under $100) computer for

>>>>> schools in developing countries

>>>>> 9. the Wikipedia

>>>>> 10. low(er) cost multimedia projectors in the classroom

>>>>> 11. Development of "learning objects" (online learning  

>>>>> "modules) for

>>>>> the field.

>>>>> 12. Free/low-cost Internet telephony (such as Skype or  

>>>>> Gizmoproject)

>>>>> 13. desktop videoconferencing

>>>>> 14. advanced two-way speech recognition software

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Anyone, what else should we add to this list?

>>>>>

>>>>> David J. Rosen

>>>>> djrosen at comcast.net

>>>>>

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