This post on the ELL list belongs with the cross-list discussion of last week.

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Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 3:46 PM
To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov
Subject: [EnglishLanguage 693] Re: materials for Eng Creole-spkrs

I know from having worked with some of these learners that treating Standard English as another/second/foreign language is helpful --that is, if the learners are helped to realize that they do not have to abandon their own version of English to acquire standard English and if they can then do cross-language comparisons and "translations"-- here is how we say it in standard English--how do you say that in Jamaican (or Pidgen or whatever) and vice versa they get a much clearer idea of what is being "improved"--which is really learned as an alternate form. 


Many of these learners have gone to school in their version of English, so must learn Standard English grammatical patterns and word usage literally as another language.

The  issue has been addressed in many places in the US where schools find that students' use of African American "Ebonics"  collides with 
standards set for writing or speaking standard English.   If you google 
Ebonics you may find some of the research and discussion on this topic. 
  I am sorry that I do not have any particular literature at my fingertips.  I know that a San Francisco area school district did quite a lot of work on the topic in the last few years.

Robin Lovrien Schwarz

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From: ylerew at aol.com
To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov
Sent: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:45 AM
Subject: [EnglishLanguage 688] Re: materials for Eng Creole-spkrs/going rate for in-house programmes

    I would second the request for books/material/and other ideas to work with students who speak forms of Engllish that are non-standard  from a North American English point of view.  Other examples are students from Liberia and other parts of Africa.
 Thanks
 Yvonne Lerew 
  
  
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 From: mcazabon at hotmail.com
 To: englishlanguage at nifl.gov
 Sent: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:55 PM
  Subject: [EnglishLanguage 683] materials for Eng Creole-spkrs/going 
rate for in-house programmes

  If anyone can help with the following, I'd appreciate it:
I hope to undertake very soon an in-house programme for clerical and
administrative workers in a large, successful law firm with a view to
helping them improve their written English. I have been following this
week's discussions about curriculum and materials development, 
assessment
and accountability with interest. One big difference, however, between 
my
prospective learners and most of yours, is that my learners are not 
exactly
non-native speakers of English. I live in the Caribbean and they are 
all
speakers of a range of English-lexicon Creoles! Does anyone know of any
useful materials or texts out there? I know that some US high schools 
make a
special effort to help Caribbean immigrants improve their standard 
English.
I have already purchased a couple of texts produced by the University 
of the
West Indies.
My second question is - what would be an appropriate billing rate?
Thank you for any help you can offer!
Marian Cazabon-Blok

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