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[Workplace 824] Re: Concurrent Vocational and Language TrainingBarbara Jacala barbara.jacala at guamcc.eduTue Jun 26 19:37:13 EDT 2007
That website is not working. Barbara Jacala Guam Community College -----Original Message----- From: workplace-bounces at nifl.gov [mailto:workplace-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Laurie Sheridan Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 11:12 PM To: The Workplace Literacy Discussion List Subject: [Workplace 821] Re: Concurrent Vocational and Language Training I have been having similar thoughts, that there should be one central place where materials, curricula, and info about programs are collected and maintained, and available to everyone who wants to see what's already been developed. I do see many of us constantly trying to re-invent the wheel each and every time, and it's too bad. Workplace ESOL and VESL and the need for them are only going to grow. I know that NIFL has recently (October 2006) ended its "Workplace Education Special Collection" on LINCS that pulled together a lot of resources, information and materials on workplace education. The web site says that it will remain available online, but will no longer be added to. It has been replaced, apparently, by some new Resource Collections. One, at Penn State, is now called "Workforce Competitiveness." The subtitle is "Workplace Literacy, ESOL, Technology"). I don't know what that's going to be or look like, but it might be worth looking into. The contact for it is Barb Van Horn, blv1 at psu.edu. The main web site is www.nifl.gov.lincs/about/resource_collections. Laurie Sheridan >>> Laurie Ketzenberg <lketzenberg at resolutionpictures.com> 6/25/2007 5:37 PM >>> I wonder how this can happen so we don’t have to reinvent the wheel each and every time? So much work has gone into program planning, design, implementation and evaluation! And, in addition to creating and maintaining a clearinghouse, how can we ensure that promising (concurrent, and intensive) training programs (that entail a variety of stakeholder partnerships) cut through the red tape to be “on the shelf” with appropriate funding agencies? On 6/25/07 2:59 PM, "Jodi Crandall" <crandall at umbc.edu> wrote: > Suma, > > It was a major recommendation in our report, Passing the Torch. There just > isn't one central place where information about transitions, promising > practices, and the like can be collected. These lists fill some of that need, > but only for the time in which people are discussing that issue. > > Jodi > On Jun 22, 2007, at 11:45 AM, <suma.kurien at verizon.net> wrote: > >> Hi Heide Jon, Paul, Jose Ramon and others, At the Conference in the >> Fall, the need for a clearinghouse and for sharing >> what we have learned was a major theme. I continue to wonder how we can make >> that happen. >> Suma >> >> >>> From: Jon Engel <jengel at communityaction.com> >>> Date: 2007/06/22 Fri AM 10:16:23 CDT >>> To: 'The Workplace Literacy Discussion List' <workplace at nifl.gov> >>> Cc: rhorc at sfsu.edu >>> Subject: [Workplace 809] Re: Concurrent Vocational and Language Training >>> >> >> >>> [Workplace 775] Re: Concurrent Vocational and Language Training Hi >>> Heide, Barbara, Jose Ramon and everyone,  Iâ€*m sure there are a >>> myriad ofissues in regard to career paths for ELL >>> learners in the health professions,but given the growing labor demand across >>> the health professions, it seems tome that we have to decide that the health >>> cluster makes sense. Iâ€*msure you all agree. If memory serves well, >>> Ricardo Estrada from Chicago demonstrated a fairly sophisticated model >>> foraddressing this issue, at least with Spanish speakers, at the Bridges to >>> Opportunity conference in NYC last Fall. Perhaps heis a resource. >>>  >>> As a practical matter from where I standon the adult ed. spectrum, I often >>> find myself most concerned with connectingstudents with the first steps on >>> career ladders, and I get excited whencreative programs become available >>> locally to help achieve that outcome, so a CNAis meaningful to me. I know >>> the field has to think about much more. The way my agency has been >>> successful moving folks up career ladders has hadmore to do with providing >>> support services, financial literacy education (IDAs),and good case >>> management. >>>  >>> Jon Engel >>>  >>> From:workplace-bounces at nifl.gov [mailto:workplace-bounces at nifl.gov] On >>> Behalf Of Wrigley, Heide >>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 6:46PM >>> To: The Workplace LiteracyDiscussion List >>> Cc: rhorc at sfsu.edu >>> Subject: [Workplace 803] Re:Concurrent Vocational and Language Training >>>  >>> Hi, Jon and all >>>  >>> A number of issues keep coming up as collegesand CBOs try to decide if a >>> health care cluster makes sense if the goal is tokeep participants moving up >>> the career ladder. >>>  >>> As you know, there is a huge gap betweenCNA and RN with lots of additional >>> work necessary (and entry requirements forNursing Programs being quite >>> strict). >>>  >>> I wonder if any of your programs havefound ways to either fill that gap or >>> offer different kinds of training thatmove students into the direction of >>> more technical skills (radiologytechnologists or respiratory technicians) or >>> other areas where assistants areneeded (e.g., lab or dental assistant, >>> physical therapy assistants and aides). >>>  >>> I am also ccâ€*ing my friend JoseRamon Fernandez-Pena (Iâ€*m still trying to >>> figure out how to get theaccent marks and the tilde on his name), hoping he >>> might be able to add someinformation about how they help foreign-born health >>> care workers transition fromone job category to the next. Jose Ramon runs >>> the International Health WorkersAssistance Centers that operate in >>> partnership with the Community College of San Francisco. >>>  >>> But we would also love to hear from otherswho have considered career ladders >>> in the health care field. What has been yourexperience (good or bad) >>>  >>> Heide Spruck Wrigley >>>  >>> From:workplace-bounces at nifl.gov [mailto:workplace-bounces at nifl.gov] On >>> Behalf Of Jon Engel >>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:28PM >>> To: 'The Workplace LiteracyDiscussion List' >>> Cc: mpoag at willread.org >>> Subject: [Workplace 799] Re:Concurrent Vocational and Language Training >>>  >>> Good afternoon >>>  >>> Good discussion >>>  >>> David Borden, ESL Coordinator, at Austin Community College is also offering >>> an integrated ESL/CNAclass this year. One thing I remember him saying that >>> was particularlyattractive about the CNA certificate for the ESL population >>> is that it is aworkplace credential one can earn without a GED or high >>> school diploma (atleast in Texas you can). I will follow up with him and >>> be in touch. >>>  >>> Jon Engel >>>  >>>  >>> From:workplace-bounces at nifl.gov [mailto:workplace-bounces at nifl.gov] On >>> Behalf Of Wrigley, Heide >>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:10PM >>> To: The Workplace LiteracyDiscussion List >>> Subject: [Workplace 798] Re:Concurrent Vocational and Language Training >>>  >>> Thanks, Vicky >>>  >>> Jodi and I will follow-up >>>  >>> Heide >>>  >>> From:workplace-bounces at nifl.gov [mailto:workplace-bounces at nifl.gov] On >>> Behalf Of Victoria Lichty >>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 200711:13 AM >>> To: Jodi Crandall; The WorkplaceLiteracy Discussion List >>> Subject: RE: [Workplace 775] Re:Concurrent Vocational and Language Training >>>  >>> Reading Area Community College has a VESL class that is linked to their CNA >>> trainingprogram. The VESL class runs for 7 weeks and the corresponding >>> CNAtraining is the same amount of time. They are using a text from >>> theInstiture for Caregiver Education, a group from Chambersburg, PA. >>>  >>> Vicky Lichty >>>  >>> From:workplace-bounces at nifl.gov on behalf of JoAnn (Jodi) Crandall >>> Sent: Wed 6/20/2007 4:48 PM >>> To: The Workplace LiteracyDiscussion List >>> Subject: [Workplace 775] Re:Concurrent Vocational and Language Training >>> HiLaurie, Amber and others, >>> >>> This is an interest of mine as well. There is a discussion of a >>> concurrent program at the College of Lake County in Illinois in a report >>> that I wrote with Forrest Chisman. It combines vocational training in a >>> number of areas with VESL courses. The program is provided at the >>> community college, however, not at the workplace. The report, Passing the >>> Torch, can be downloaded from the website at www.caalusa.org >>> >>> >>> I am especially interested in learning more about programs like >>> these--either at educational institutions or at the workplace--for >>> health-related careers. >>> >>> Jodi Crandall >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi Laurie - >>>> >>>> This area of VESL is an interest of mine as well. In answer to your >>>> original question, I am relatively sure that there is *not* a centralized >>>> database of these types of programs (based on my own searches). >>>> >>>> I teach and do curriculum development in a program that involves a >>>> community college (like IBEST does) and the National Retail Federation. >>>> We do a course that blends customer service training with ESL training - >>>> the goal of which is employment in retail sales. >>>> >>>> The International Union of Painters and Allied Trades has also designed an >>>> interesting program that combines their hard skill apprenticeship >>>> curriculum with basic English skills. However, that program has notyet >>>> been implemented in IUPAT local unions. >>>> >>>> I think most VESL programs are actually not like these - they're >>>> vocationally-oriented English classes but without a real technical skill >>>> component and the corresponding job placement/advancement goals. >>>> >>>> Amber Gallup >>>> Washington, DC >>>> >>>> Laurie Ketzenberg <lketzenberg at resolutionpictures.com> wrote:Re: >>>> [Workplace 769] Re: Concurrent Vocational and LanguageTraining    Yes, >>>> VESL brings up a gazillion hits. And there are a gazilliondefinitions of >>>> VESL. >>>> >>>>  My interest is in hard skill training for NNS (health care, culinary >>>> arts, building trades), where the goal is technical skill acquisition and >>>> upward ladder job placement and retention. This would likely require >>>> interagency and interdisciplinary partnerships between ESL and Vocational >>>> agencies and instructors. >>>> >>>>  IBEST in WA is one model Iâ€*m learning about ... >>>> >>>> >>>>  On 6/19/07 6:06 PM, "Ginnie Gorin"<ggorin at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>  I would be very much interested in this as well. Googling"VESL" brings >>>> up some. >>>>  GG >>>> >>>>  On 6/19/07, Laurie Ketzenberg < laurie at medivetproducts.com >>>> <mailto:laurie at medivetproducts.com>> wrote: >>>>  Dear Colleagues, >>>> >>>>  Is there a centralized database of programs that offer concurrent >>>> vocational >>>>  and language skills training for non-native speakers of English? >>>> >>>>  Thanks! >>>>  Laurie >>>>  --------------------- >>>>  Graduate Student >>>>  Temple University >>>>  Philadelphia, PA >>>> >>>> >>>>  ---------------------------------------------------- >>>>  National Institute for Literacy >>>>  Workplace Literacy mailing list >>>>  Workplace at nifl.gov >>>>  To unsubscribe or change your subscription settings, please go to >>>> http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/workplace >>>>  Email delivered to ggorin at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------- >>>> ---------------------------------------------------- >>>>  National Institute for Literacy >>>>  Workplace Literacy mailing list >>>>  Workplace at nifl.gov >>>>  To unsubscribe or change your subscription settings, please go to >>>> http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/workplace >>>>  Email delivered to lauriek at temple.edu >>>> >>>>   ---------------------------------------------------- >>>> National Institute for Literacy >>>> Workplace Literacy mailing list >>>> Workplace at nifl.gov >>>> To unsubscribe or change your subscription settings, please go to >>>> http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/workplace >>>> Email delivered to ambergallup at yahoo.com >>>> >>>> >>>> Amber Gallup >>>> Director, Essential Language >>>> (202) 234-4565 >>>> www.essentiallanguage.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------- >>>> National Institute for Literacy >>>> Workplace Literacy mailing list >>>> Workplace at nifl.gov >>>> To unsubscribe or change your subscription settings, please go to >>>> http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/workplace >>>> Email delivered to crandall at umbc.edu >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> JoAnn (Jodi) Crandall >>> Professor, Education Department >>> Director, Ph.D. Program in Language, Literacy & Culture >>> Coordinator, Peace Corps Master's International Program in ESOL/Bilingual >>> Education >>> University of Maryland,Baltimore County (UMBC) >>> 1000 Hilltop Circle, Baltimore, MD 21250 >>> ph:   410-455-2313/2376 fax:  410-455-8947/1880 >>> email: crandall at umbc.edu >>> www.umbc.edu/llc/ >>> www.umbc.edu/esol/ >>> www.umbc.edu/esol/peacecorps.html >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------- >>> National Institute for Literacy >>> Workplace Literacy mailing list >>> Workplace at nifl.gov >>> To unsubscribe or change your subscription settings, please go to >>> http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/workplace >>> Email delivered to vlichty at racc.edu >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------- >>> National Institute for Literacy >>> Workplace Literacy mailing list >>> Workplace at nifl.gov >>> To unsubscribe or change your subscription settings, please go to >>> http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/workplace >>> Email delivered to suma.kurien at verizon.net >>> >> >> >> Suma Kurien >> Director, Center for Immigrant Education & Training, >> LaGuardia Community College >> New York City >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> National Institute for Literacy >> Workplace Literacy mailing list >> Workplace at nifl.gov >> To unsubscribe or change your subscription settings, please go to >> http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/workplace >> Email delivered to crandall at umbc.edu >> >> > > > JoAnn (Jodi) Crandall > Professor and Director > Language, Literacy and Culture Ph.D. Program > Director, Peace Corps Master's Intl Program in ESOL/Bilingual Education > University of Maryland Baltimore County > 1000 Hilltop Circle > Baltimore, MD 21250 > tel: 410-455-2313 > fax: 410-455-8947 > eml: crandall at umbc.edu > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > National Institute for Literacy > Workplace Literacy mailing list > Workplace at nifl.gov > To unsubscribe or change your subscription settings, please go to > http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/workplace > Email delivered to lauriek at temple.edu ---------------------------------------------------- National Institute for Literacy Workplace Literacy mailing list Workplace at nifl.gov To unsubscribe or change your subscription settings, please go to http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/workplace Email delivered to barbara.jacala at guamcc.edu
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